(0:03) 赵浅达你好,欢迎你第三次上我的节目 (0:08) 前两次的采访呢,观众还都是对你很喜爱 (0:13) 然后呢,我也想通过对你的采访进一步了解有关神医演员的情况 (0:20) 他们的那个经历,他们的所思所想 (0:24) 我想用一个问题开头 (0:27) 就是 (0:28) 随着那个神医内幕的这个揭开啊 (0:30) 越来越多的神医演员其实都已经知道这个 (0:34) 现在使用的那些黑幕 (0:36) 逐渐为世人所知 (0:38) 那么不少此前的那个神医演员呢 (0:40) 他们那个 (0:42) 只是抱着一种就是挺解恨的心态啊,看到这些事儿终于被揭出来了 (0:47) 但是他们自己呢 (0:49) 并不愿意就是真正的站出来 (0:52) 来说这些事情 (0:54) 然后他们这些人的一个原因呢 (0:57) 是就是担心自己 (1:01) 这个人际关系受到影响 (1:03) 比如说家里还有人修炼,或者是 (1:07) 自己所在的圈子中 (1:08) 那个很多很多修炼人,如果你把这个说出来以后呢 (1:14) 就是 (1:15) 他的整个社会关系就可能断了,这个我其实还挺理解的 (1:19) 然后呢,我不太理解一点是什么呢,就是 (1:22) 我此前有一期节目,名字就叫Case Number (1:25) 说的就是我向那个 (1:28) 美国国家人口贩卖热线举报了这个 (1:32) 审讯的事情 (1:33) 然后这件事其实是一个很重要的事儿,而且 (1:35) 你拿这个Case Number (1:38) 告诉他们你自己 (1:39) 经历的这些事情啊 (1:42) 那个实际上是非常保密的,周围没有人会知道 (1:46) 那他们都不愿意去,这个其实我都挺不理解的 (1:50) 我想如果是我的话呢,有这样的机会,我会巴不得的就是告诉 (1:54) 就是有可能在司法上办法 (1:57) 处理这个审讯的 (1:58) 这个执法机构 (2:00) 这是第一点,第二点我会想到 (2:02) 那个审讯山上还有很多 (2:05) 就是未成年人,现在可能那几个班 (2:08) 有可能500人左右,里边还有很多很多是未成年人嘛 (2:12) 那么 (2:14) 他们如果还受着当年我受的罪,我就不希望他们再遭这个罪 (2:20) 所以呢我一定会去 (2:22) 用Case Number向热线举报的,很多 (2:25) 审讯演员不向他们举报,这个原因是什么,我并不了解,我想问问你的看法 (2:30) 还有一个就是,我看到就包括你啊,还有包括那个程庆龄啊 (2:35) 他们都在说,就是山上那些人 (2:37) 他们的经历是活该,我不知道是不是有这样的考量,是使得那个 (2:42) 现在已经在山下的那些审讯演员不愿意去 (2:46) 向热线举报 (2:49) 这个就是挺奇怪的一个事,你能不能谈谈你的看法 (2:57) 其实你说你可以理解他们不举报是因为怕 (3:00) 影响自己跟家人或者朋友的关系,其实这个 (3:06) 作为我个人来讲,我倒是 (3:11) 没有这样的想法,因为我身边几乎没有修炼人 (3:16) 就是然后 (3:18) 我的朋友 (3:21) 也大部分都不太,就是 (3:25) 我在山上的时候,其实我认识的人就不多 (3:28) 就认识的人很多,就是知道是谁,但是说 (3:32) 就是可以称作为朋友的人就没有那么多 (3:36) 所以我不太清楚就是他们担心 (3:39) 关系的崩塌这个事情 (3:42) 然后像你说 (3:45) 活该,就是他们留在上面的人活该 (3:49) 其实上面是分很多样子的人的 (3:54) 有人有欺负别人的,有被人欺负的,什么样的人都有 (3:58) 你就比如说 (4:01) 所谓欺负别人的人,他其实自己也在被欺负 (4:05) 你比如说张君亮他欺负别人 (4:07) 那他自己也不好受,他别的在师母的 (4:11) 就是他的那边领导,他上面还不止有神运,人还很多呢 (4:18) 那你说他这种是不是活该呢 (4:22) 但是未成年 (4:25) 我觉得假如张天亮是公开的为神运这种恶行啊,去打掩护,去洗地 (4:31) 那么我觉得他那就是 (4:33) 共犯结构的一部分了 (4:35) 但是现在还有很多神运演员呢 (4:39) 他们 (4:41) 并没有在公共场合为神运洗地 (4:44) 所以我倾向于 (4:45) 认为吧就是他们 (4:48) 在山上的一些做法,一些说法是不得已而为之吧 (4:52) 现在有一个打破这个 (4:54) 神运这种罪恶 (4:56) 罪恶存在的这么一个 (4:58) 一个突破口了,我不知道他们为什么不抓住这一点 (5:07) 其实我也不知道,或许是 (5:09) 就是不想再理那些事情了,就是累了 (5:16) 因为我 (5:18) 以前跟证人会聊的时候 (5:21) 原来在山上的时候,我们也会经常说就是 (5:25) 就累了 (5:26) 我累了 (5:30) 有可能也许这样吧 (5:33) 但是我觉得就是还修炼的一些人 (5:37) 就至少还相信神佛的一些人,还相信师父的一些人 (5:41) 他们是担心 (5:43) 就所谓的下地狱 (5:45) 就像原来在山上 (5:46) 跟我们说下山的人呢就 (5:49) 那个下场就是 (5:51) 就等同于行神全灭 (5:54) 下山的人都会行神全灭是吧 (5:58) 就是我们在山上的 (6:00) 都是这种感觉 (6:01) 我记得挺后期的时候我们证人会聊也是 (6:05) 因为我们都不觉得 (6:08) 就是山上的行为是在救人吗 (6:14) 然后我们觉得 (6:17) 其实我很长一段时间就不那么认为了,然后后来当然越来越确定了 (6:25) 然后包括你就像上次我说的,也不能就是相信师父 (6:30) 我的意思就是说 (6:32) 你想师父 (6:34) 其实已经很多迹象都表明了 (6:36) 你比如说四亿这种事情 (6:39) 死了四个亿是吧 (6:40) 对,死了四个亿,你怎么可能呢 (6:45) 然后很多同修他还是就是 (6:49) 那你说他们没有理智吗 (6:51) 没有大脑吗 (6:52) 那他为什么 (6:53) 其实这不是神韵的问题 (6:55) 这整个法轮功群体的问题 (6:58) 他怎么会觉得真的死了四亿 (7:01) 而且还替这件事情说 (7:03) 那你觉得他们的想法是怎么回事 (7:08) 我猜想是不是希望借这个机会向主佛表忠心呢 (7:13) 像李大宇那种人 (7:14) 李大宇我看说四亿言之骤骤 (7:17) 说就是死了四亿 (7:19) 咱们以后等着再看吧 (7:20) 他特别奇怪 (7:22) 他为什么会这样 (7:24) 他们是不是觉得这是一个向主佛表忠心的机会 (7:27) 你看这个 (7:28) 对,我觉得有 (7:29) 因为你知道可能你住的比较远 (7:32) 就包括说你原来没揭露神韵这件事情之前 (7:35) 你住的就比较远 (7:37) 就是不在那个圈子里 (7:39) 核心圈里 (7:40) 你像纽约那边或者是离那个山上比较近 (7:45) 他们其实 (7:47) 他们的很多关系都在这个大法中 (7:50) 而且他们的子女 (7:52) 他们的妻子 (7:53) 他们的父母兄弟什么很多都在这种 (7:57) 就法轮功里面如果是整人的话 (8:00) 那是能把你整死 (8:02) 整得很惨 (8:04) 告诉我你怎么整人 (8:06) 赵雪岚 (8:07) 我觉得你在我面前 (8:08) 我说你在我面前怎么敢容易吹牛 (8:11) 我不是被整的最厉害的吗 (8:13) 你现在怎么说 (8:14) 你见过最厉害的 (8:15) 我听听你说怎么见的最厉害的 (8:17) 你看我像不像向主佛了 (8:20) 因为你毕竟没在山上过 (8:23) 他整你 (8:24) OK (8:25) 都是那种 (8:27) 我知道你也是相当惨 (8:29) 我们不是比赛不是比惨 (8:31) 我的意思就是说 (8:34) 你毕竟人没在那 (8:38) 对 (8:39) 就比如说 (8:41) 你比如说原来我在山上的时候 (8:45) 他们要是开会 (8:47) 那经常你不去是不行的 (8:50) 但是你非常是知道他们那种会 (8:54) 有的时候就是师母在那 (8:58) 自己在那说来说去的 (9:00) 或者某些 (9:02) 比如说开个什么篮球比赛 (9:04) 这个比赛那个比赛 (9:05) 你必须得去 (9:08) 我要是不去 (9:09) 他们就能把我抬去 (9:15) 所以篮球比赛不能被认为是一种娱乐 (9:17) 而是一种工作 (9:18) 没错 (9:20) 所以他应该发钱才对 (9:22) 他不发钱的话 (9:23) 就等于是没有发工资 (9:24) 我可以这么理解 (9:26) 对 (9:26) 没错 (9:28) 他强行娱乐 (9:30) 而且你还得跟着笑 (9:32) 我记得那时候还 (9:34) 当然他们就舞蹈的年龄比较小 (9:36) 所以他们更可怜一些 (9:39) 就是参加啦啦队 (9:41) 你不去都不行 (9:41) 我是去 (9:43) 然后但是 (9:45) 我几分钟待不了 (9:47) 我肯定会离开的 (9:48) 肯定我会离开的 (9:50) 所以就整你 (9:51) 然后关键是 (9:54) 就是高层 (9:55) 他们所谓的高层 (9:57) 他们不会亲自来骂你 (10:01) 至少不会骂我 (10:02) 因为如果他说我什么 (10:03) 我也顶回去 (10:04) 他也觉得很没有面子 (10:06) 在别人面前很没有面子 (10:07) 所以他还觉得 (10:09) 他怕别人高看我一眼 (10:11) 所以他轻易不会亲自来搞我 (10:14) 但是他会让手下那些 (10:17) 比如说一些年龄小的 (10:19) 你比如上次我就说过包家 (10:21) 或者你们团里的谁谁谁 (10:24) 就非常烦人 (10:26) 但是其实我其实也没有那么好 (10:30) 我虽然不欺负别人 (10:32) 我不会欺负恶者 (10:33) 但是就是当他们来烦我的时候 (10:37) 你比如说 (10:39) 我在寝房里 (10:40) 在做什么的时候 (10:41) 突然就有个人进来说 (10:43) 你应该怎么怎么来 (10:47) 就教训我一顿 (10:48) 但是其实他说的 (10:49) 完全就是想自己不练 (10:51) 然后让我迁就他 (10:53) 就这种 (10:54) 然后当时我 (10:57) 然后当时我先把这个话题结束 (10:59) 然后我就说 (11:00) 你出去 (11:01) 我不要跟你谈 (11:03) 就我就把他撵出来 (11:04) 哇从此这个人就恨上我了 (11:06) 然后我也跟那个 (11:08) 你知道原来就是乐团 (11:10) 我们队长有一个古叔 (11:13) 大家都叫他古叔 (11:15) 他人比较好 (11:17) 其实挺好的 (11:19) 然后我就跟他说 (11:21) 古叔来找我谈话 (11:23) 说 (11:24) 就意思是说 (11:26) 你要迁就一点别人 (11:28) 就是如果那个节奏啊什么的不准 (11:31) 你就随着来 (11:32) 我说那还要我干什么 (11:35) 为什么要 (11:36) 就为什么要 (11:40) 那还练琴干什么 (11:44) 然后就是就天天就这种事整你 (11:50) 然后一有什么问题 (11:52) 就让队长来找你谈话 (11:53) 而不让别人跟你说话 (11:58) 然后还说我高傲 (12:01) 就诸如此类等等等等 (12:04) 就是每 (12:05) 就只要你 (12:06) 原来我住在下面 (12:08) 只要你上山 (12:09) 你的每一个行为 (12:11) 每一个举动 (12:12) 你每一句话都会成为 (12:14) 别人整你的把柄 (12:17) 你能不能再想想 (12:18) 这怎么叫整啊 (12:19) 整就是让你不舒服 (12:21) 是吗 (12:23) 冤枉你了 (12:26) 对冤枉你了 (12:27) 然后在背后讲你的坏话了 (12:30) 然后明明你你你你 (12:34) 就就等于冤枉吧 (12:35) 但是我还想说一个 (12:37) 其实我来跟你说这些 (12:40) 并不是说想 (12:42) 还有一层面吧 (12:44) 就是我想跟就是类似于我这种 (12:47) 就是曾经的同修们说一些话 (12:51) 他们会经常以为 (12:53) 你在山上所有遭受的一切 (12:55) 是心性的考验 (12:58) 然后是是你的业力 (13:02) 诸如此类等等等等 (13:05) 但是我想说 (13:07) 我之前也是这么认为的 (13:09) 至少曾经这么认为过 (13:12) 但是我后来发现并不是 (13:15) 我之前 (13:17) 就比如说他们说我高傲 (13:19) 说我如何如何 (13:22) 只是因为 (13:24) 我没有像别人一样跪下 (13:30) 因为如果我要是跪下了的话 (13:33) 他们就不会再说我高傲了 (13:38) 这是千真万确的 (13:43) 我我我我我这个电源掉了 (13:45) 我插一下 (13:56) 好请接着谈 (14:01) 接着谈就是就是这样 (14:03) 然后 (14:06) 其实就是山上 (14:08) 大家会以为大家 (14:09) 其实大家会把山上想象成一个样子 (14:13) 就所谓就是曾经的同修 (14:16) 他然后他们就会觉得山上的 (14:18) 这个样子是这个样子 (14:20) 其实并不是他们想象的那样 (14:24) 然后上次我说山上培养失败者 (14:30) 他们其实师傅在山上经常是管很多事情 (14:35) 很多事情师傅都管 (14:37) 就小到一个 (14:39) 你什么东西放在哪 (14:41) 就乐队的什么东西放在哪 (14:42) 舞蹈那边不知道 (14:44) 反正如果山师傅路过排练厅 (14:46) 师傅都会讲 (14:47) 比如说你那个纸盒箱子 (14:49) 放在排练厅里很难看 (14:50) 就不要放在纸盒箱 (14:52) 至少原来我在那个团的时候 (14:55) 师傅路过我们排练厅 (14:57) 然后这个事被队长知道了 (14:59) 师傅不喜欢那个纸盒箱 (15:01) 放到排练厅里 (15:02) 然后队长还亲自在学玩法 (15:05) 的时候找我们说以后那个 (15:08) 那个箱子不要放在排练厅里 (15:10) 就小到一个这种事情师傅会管 (15:13) 但是很多在我眼里看来 (15:16) 那个大都不能再大的事情 (15:19) 师傅却不管 (15:20) 我不知道为什么 (15:22) 所谓大都不能再大的事情 (15:23) 是给你带来困难的事情是吧 (15:25) 不是就是其实我是下来之后 (15:27) 我才知道他们打人的 (15:30) 我之前不知道 (15:31) 因为我不在乐队 (15:32) 我又不是学生 (15:33) 我不跟他们住在一起的 (15:35) 会打人就是是不是叫他们打人 (15:37) 你说有没有困难 (15:42) 我不知道 (15:42) 我真的不知道 (15:46) 就是纸箱得摆在哪 (15:47) 这个你说管这个动词 (15:50) 我觉得太模糊了一点 (15:52) 什么叫管呢 (15:54) 就是他要求你把纸箱子 (15:55) 从A挪到B (15:57) 然后呢 (15:58) 师傅就是说排练厅不能 (16:00) 那个排练厅不能出现纸箱 (16:03) 就当时当地的排练厅的那个场景 (16:09) 对 (16:09) 对你说很大的不管 (16:12) 对就是说打人 (16:14) 师傅不可能不知道 (16:15) 不可能不是 (16:16) 所以我就认为是他让 (16:19) 对我来说 (16:21) 这就是很大的事情了 (16:23) 所以你说师傅应该阻止人打人 (16:26) 但是我认为师傅正是放纵人打人 (16:29) 对 (16:30) 而不是准确的使用动词 (16:32) 我觉得比较好 (16:33) 什么叫管 (16:34) 我就不想用使用管这个词 (16:35) 现在我说高超艺打 (16:40) 未成年女孩的这个事 (16:41) 师傅是知道的 (16:42) 因为接受王振南采访的人说 (16:48) 他亲自跟师傅说了 (16:49) 然后师傅说我会那什么的 (16:52) 结果那人还打 (16:53) 这个情况还在持续 (16:54) 现在师傅许诺了说 (16:56) 我会干预这个事 (16:57) 这个事还在持续 (16:58) 师傅就应该对打人的事 (17:00) 负全部责任 (17:01) 对 (17:01) 对吧 (17:03) 所以我认为是他纵容人打人的 (17:06) 是李鸿志纵容人打未成年女孩的 (17:10) 而且又不止打一个 (17:12) 不止打一个 (17:13) 对 (17:13) 现在就是戴志珍 (17:15) 戴志珍的女儿陈法度 (17:18) 她不就是被当着所有的那些小孩 (17:21) 打那耳光响彻排练厅 (17:25) 然后给陈青龄当时吓得浑身发麻 (17:29) 她说我的魂都吓出去了 (17:30) 浑身的皮肤都是发麻的 (17:33) 打法度左右开弓的打法度的耳光 (17:36) 这是陈青龄说的 (17:38) 现在我就想说戴志珍当时抱着 (17:43) 她先生的骨灰 (17:45) 整个世界的去说中共的迫害 (17:49) 然后她的女儿却在神韵被这么打耳光 (17:54) 然后据说戴志珍还知道这个事 (17:56) 其实我就挺奇怪 (17:57) 这些人为什么能容忍 (18:02) 不容忍共产党的迫害 (18:03) 却容忍法轮功的迫害 (18:04) 这个是为什么呢 (18:07) 我当听到是法度这件事情的时候 (18:10) 法度陈法度 (18:12) 对 (18:12) 戴志珍的女儿 (18:13) 对 (18:14) 我当听到是打她的时候 (18:17) 我心里非常不舒服 (18:19) 因为我在大陆的时候 (18:21) 我就知道 (18:22) 法度跟他的妈妈戴志珍 (18:24) 我也是 (18:25) 对 (18:26) 我也是 (18:27) 你知道当初师父建山的时候 (18:30) 这个很多大法弟子都知道 (18:32) 师父建山的时候说的是 (18:34) 这个山是给我们迫害琉璃狮所的 (18:38) 大法弟子的一个家 (18:40) 师父讲过这样的话 (18:41) 大法弟子的孩子的一个家 (18:42) 对 (18:43) 大法弟子孩子的一个家 (18:45) 然后师父也说过 (18:47) 这个山上是大法弟子的家 (18:50) 然后师父在山上还说过 (18:53) 你们对这些孩子 (18:54) 要像对待我自己的孩子一样 (18:57) 你们就这是刘伟亲自跟我们说的 (19:00) 开会的时候 (19:02) 非常正式郑重的说的 (19:04) 说师父让他们 (19:06) 把这些孩子都当做师父的孩子 (19:13) 但是我没有看到 (19:15) 当他们不把这些孩子当师父的孩子的时候 (19:17) 有什么惩罚没有 (19:19) 达尔光完了以后没什么惩罚 (19:21) 对 (19:21) 没有 (19:22) 所以这就跟习近平说 (19:23) 共产党员时时刻刻想着老百姓 (19:25) 有一条被子捡半条 (19:27) 也得给老百姓 (19:28) 这话是一样的 (19:29) 就是好话说尽坏事做绝 (19:31) 没错 (19:35) 最近他们又把法度成年的法 (19:37) 看到了 (19:38) 拿出来拽出来 (19:40) 然后给他拍一些片子 (19:42) 说的意思是很幸福 (19:43) 你待会你把链接贴到你的节目下面 (19:47) 也很多人都不认识法度 (19:48) 对 (19:49) 我可以把这链接贴到节目下面 (19:51) 看看法度在山上多么幸福 (19:54) 但是认识法度的人 (19:55) 说他从小的时候 (19:57) 说话就比别人慢半拍 (19:59) 我不知道是不是在这种 (20:00) 长久的恐惧压抑 (20:01) 和被霸凌的情况下 (20:03) 身心发展 (20:04) 实际上是受到一些影响的 (20:06) 我个人觉得有可能 (20:14) 你说为什么戴志贞这样的人 (20:16) 他自己的女儿是经这样的遭遇 (20:18) 其实我想他是知道的 (20:20) 他现在还要 (20:21) 包括他自己在内 (20:23) 和他的女儿 (20:24) 都在为山上还在打一些掩护 (20:27) 是不是因为他们的经济 (20:28) 是依靠山上的 (20:29) 他们被山上钻住了 (20:31) 经济命脉了 (20:33) 还怎么搞的 (20:35) 我不知道 (20:37) 但是我跟你说 (20:38) 太多的人 (20:39) 就是因为经济的问题 (20:41) 是一时很难脱身 (20:42) 但我不知道他们是不是这种情况 (20:44) 我觉得很多人是因为 (20:46) 就是他就觉得 (20:48) 那就是我的业力 (20:52) 那就是我前世欠他的 (20:53) 所以他在打我 (20:55) 那问题是你如果跪下 (20:58) 你前世就不欠他了吗 (20:59) 你如果跪下 (21:00) 他们就不会再打你了 (21:01) 问题是 (21:03) 就我如果早跪下 (21:04) 他们不会再对我有任何 (21:06) 不会再说我高傲 (21:09) 那就跪下消夜了 (21:10) 按照祖佛的说法 (21:11) 是不是跪下 (21:12) 是一种消夜的 (21:13) 快速消夜的方式 (21:15) 也没准 (21:15) 你说呢 (21:18) 至少我不这么认为 (21:20) 然后还有一些人 (21:22) 他是 (21:23) 对 (21:24) 就是我觉得经济上 (21:26) 你看那个采访 (21:27) 就是那个是师傅姐姐 (21:30) 她采访 (21:31) 她说 (21:32) 不是她戴智珍 (21:35) 就是她的样子 (21:37) 其实她应该年纪也不大 (21:39) 但是她面容非常憔悴 (21:42) 然后她牙都掉了 (21:44) 其实你知道 (21:45) 现在美国这个社会 (21:46) 都这个年代了 (21:48) 就不会有人 (21:50) 就是会出现这种情况 (21:53) 牙都掉了 (21:55) 就是补牙 (21:56) 就是戴个假牙 (21:58) 什么补牙 (21:59) 并不是说特别大的花销 (22:00) 是吧 (22:02) 对 (22:03) 但是她就无法支撑自己 (22:06) 也许你说那个 (22:08) 什么晶晶姐 (22:09) 那一个名牌包 (22:10) 没准是不是就可以 (22:11) 把牙全都给补上了 (22:13) 也没准我就觉得 (22:14) 你说是不是 (22:15) 一个包好几万美元 (22:17) 然后她们拿着 (22:19) 戴智珍的丈夫 (22:21) 那个骨灰 (22:23) 就是 (22:24) 全世界的 (22:25) 就是去吃这个人血馒头 (22:28) 但是戴智珍现在是 (22:30) 面容如此憔悴 (22:31) 牙都掉了 (22:32) 女儿从小被人耳光打的是 (22:35) 响彻整个那个舞蹈教室 (22:37) 然后她们现在还在 (22:39) 拿他们出来 (22:40) 去那给自己冲门面 (22:42) 你说这个 (22:43) 我真的觉得就是 (22:46) 这些人干事 (22:49) 不像主佛的样子 (22:51) 是吧 (22:53) 对啊 (22:53) 就是那天我跟一个人聊天 (22:58) 我说 (23:00) 其实张天亮比师母还可恨 (23:03) 然后他问我为什么 (23:04) 他说你为什么帮师母说话 (23:06) 我说我不是帮师母说话 (23:08) 我说人家师母从始至终 (23:11) 人家从来就没说过 (23:13) 自己是修炼人 (23:14) 人家从来都没说过自己真善忍 (23:16) 人家从来就是说你师父 (23:19) 你们师父 (23:19) 人家从来就没信这些过 (23:23) 但是呢 (23:24) 张天亮是一样的做法 (23:27) 就是嘴里非得说着真善忍 (23:30) 然后背后就说另外一回事 (23:38) 我觉得法轮功现在整个群体 (23:40) 就是这样的做法 (23:42) 非得要把自己说成真善忍 (23:44) 但其实做的事 (23:51) 把你的话说完 (23:53) 我再听你说完 (23:54) 你说话的时候 (23:55) 有时候喜欢把后半截吞下去 (23:58) 他做的事就是不真不善不忍 (24:00) 我怕我太啰嗦 (24:03) 你说话好听 (24:04) 你把这些话说完 (24:08) 那再谈谈你对其他事有什么感想没有 (24:16) 其他事 (24:21) 想想 (24:24) 你知道山上 (24:25) 我其实想更多的说一下山上的情况 (24:28) 因为大家对山上 (24:31) 其实不是很了解 (24:33) 那你就说山上的情况 (24:35) 对对对 (24:37) 他们对于山上不忍 (24:40) 不允许你有自己的思想 (24:43) 你比如说你 (24:44) 然后但是其实很多人也知道这个 (24:48) 我不知道他们会不会知道的这么明确 (24:51) 但是他们的做法 (24:52) 就是表现出来他们很知道 (24:55) 因为他们会把自己的真实想法隐藏 (25:00) 然后说一些非常非常无关紧要的废话 (25:04) 或者是非常非常没有意义的话 (25:09) 不敢去 (25:11) 特别是跟上级非常非常不敢表现自己是一个有思想的人 (25:18) 或者哪怕是有点自己主见的人 (25:23) 然后行为做事 (25:26) 我说有一些人不都是这样 (25:29) 这是一种自我保护 (25:33) 我们其实大家很多人修炼 (25:36) 有的人是因为病好了 (25:39) 有的人他就觉得这个是他人生的意义 (25:42) 就是当时我是没有病 (25:44) 因为你本年龄本来就很小 (25:47) 我当时 (25:49) 你当时什么该句话我听不清 (25:52) 你当时是有偏心 (25:54) 我当时修就是知道德法这个年龄很小 (25:57) 所以我没有病 (25:59) 我当时修炼就是因为我觉得 (26:02) 就是人活着是有意义的 (26:05) 对 (26:06) 然后 (26:08) 成长的意义 (26:11) 总有一些你想追求的 (26:14) 很多人是因为这个进来的 (26:17) 然后 (26:18) 其实我刚才听了你跟那个金风堂的那个采访 (26:24) 就是我觉得 (26:26) 很多人上山 (26:28) 就是我说我在山上的经历 (26:29) 比如说你在书中看到 (26:32) 师父是这样讲的 (26:34) 就传法文嘛 (26:35) 大家都看过对不对 (26:36) 师父是这样讲 (26:36) 但在山上做事不一样 (26:39) 但是师父或者是就管理层会给你一种 (26:44) 你还没悟到 (26:48) 你悟得太低了 (26:52) 然后我直接告诉你一个高的标准 (26:54) 你这么做就等于就是给你开个小灶 (26:58) 给你走个后门 (27:00) 但我不愿意那样 (27:01) 我没想明白的事情 (27:04) 我很难去真的去做 (27:16) 你再问我点问题 (27:18) 但我不知道我说什么 (27:23) 就是你曾经说呀 (27:25) 你说他们那些人言辞特别狠毒 (27:28) 原因呢是因为 (27:30) 我破坏了他们的美梦 (27:33) 我就注意到法轮功的这些人现在说话呀 (27:37) 非常狠毒 (27:38) 就是从他们的嘴里 (27:40) 说出那话其实是 (27:43) 既虚假而且又狠毒 (27:45) 然后他们认为这就是护法了 (27:48) 然后呢我就觉得就是 (27:50) 就从这样的言辞的本身呢 (27:52) 和他们的那个所生存的真相是相反的 (27:55) 就是他们现在完全是 (27:58) 就是每做一件事 (28:00) 就和自己所说的是正好恰好相反的事 (28:02) 然后你说他们之所以如此狠毒 (28:05) 是因为我破坏了他们的美梦 (28:07) 我想问你 (28:09) 你认为他们狠毒还是不狠毒 (28:11) 第二你给我解释解释那个美梦 (28:13) 还有谈到现在 (28:14) 你一再说山上整人可以整到非常非常极致 (28:17) 但是你并没有举出 (28:19) 让我听起来觉得那个 (28:21) 狠的例子 (28:22) 就比如说 (28:23) 他们说那个背后说你坏话 (28:25) 还有那个那个 (28:27) 进来练琴说你应该这么拉 (28:28) 这好像不算特别整人 (28:30) 整得特别狠 (28:30) 你能不能用事例把这个事情说一说呢 (28:35) OK我先说你第一个说狠毒 (28:37) 是我也觉得他们非常狠毒 (28:39) 然后再说美梦 (28:42) 就是每个人 (28:43) 我认为他们每个人你说 (28:45) 你能不能举例 (28:46) 因为你是 (28:50) 你是亲身经历这些事情的人 (28:52) 能不能举出一些例子 (28:53) 他们整人是怎么整的 (28:55) 给人造成了什么样的后果 (29:03) 比如说学生 (29:04) 你在那上学 (29:05) 不让你 (29:07) 学你应该有的技能 (29:09) 你只能跳舞 (29:11) 但是其实我觉得如果你去看一些书 (29:14) 或者你学一些技能 (29:16) 或者你自己哪怕你去生长了个想法 (29:18) 这都是对于成长很重要 (29:20) 这其实就是修炼的一部分 (29:22) 对于我来说是这样的 (29:24) 就是你 (29:26) 你想成为一个什么样的人 (29:28) 这不本身就是一个修炼的一部分吗 (29:31) 《转法轮》也这么讲的对不对 (29:33) 并不冲突 (29:35) 但是你在山上 (29:36) 所有跟你《转法轮》 (29:40) 就是标准声称的 (29:42) 你都没有办法那么去做 (29:44) 比方说你看到弱小 (29:45) 你不能去帮 (29:47) 因为你帮 (29:50) 第一这个弱小 (29:53) 我倒不是想让他们领情 (29:55) 他们会反手就 (29:58) 因为上边 (30:00) 有人看我不顺眼 (30:01) 他们会反手就去打我的报告 (30:05) 然后你去帮的这个人 (30:07) 如果是上边不喜欢的人 (30:09) 那他会有更大的麻烦 (30:18) 然后他不让别人学东西 (30:21) 这脑子就很空洞 (30:23) OK (30:23) 只能天天在学他们那一套 (30:25) 他们那一套是什么呢 (30:27) 又不是法又不是《转法轮》 (30:28) 都不是 (30:29) 也不是真实人 (30:30) 就是他们管理层 (30:32) 让你的那一套打小报告 (30:36) 说别人坏话 (30:37) 积极参加各种活动 (30:39) 在师母讲笑话的时候 (30:40) 你要拼命的笑 (30:41) 要带头笑 (30:43) 积极的撑着脖子在那听 (30:45) 我记得有一次证人会跟我说 (30:48) 师母开会她居然睡着了 (30:50) 然后呢 (30:53) 其实很正常对不对 (30:57) 因为首先你得看 (30:59) 如果说我是开会的那个人 (31:01) 我下边的人睡着了 (31:02) 我得想想我自己是不是太无聊了 (31:06) 然后大家盯着证人会去说 (31:08) 哎呀她睡着了 (31:09) 然后好像就告师母去了 (31:11) 然后师母就找证人会谈话了 (31:13) 因为那么多人 (31:14) 师母很远 (31:16) 她不可能看到一个证人会睡没睡着 (31:18) 肯定是别人告诉的嘛 (31:19) 然后这位师母就问 (31:21) 我刚才讲的怎么样 (31:23) 然后证人会说挺好 (31:26) 然后但是她其实知道是证人会睡着了 (31:32) 就是你没有一分钟是放松的 (31:40) 你在山上有的时候会聚餐吃火锅 (31:46) 你不去就说你不配合整体 (31:55) 师父好不容易要跟大家聚餐 (31:58) 请大家吃饭你不去 (32:01) 然后你去了就是配合了 (32:05) 就所有事你不能有自己 (32:07) 你不能有自己的空间 (32:08) 我还不住在山上 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连他让别人给我带了一句话 (34:21) 就说感谢我 (34:23) 如此又怎样 (34:26) 但我其实不太知道 (34:28) 把他开除的原因是什么 (34:31) 你刚才说的一些东西我都能听懂 (34:34) 我都感同身受 (34:34) 因为我在街上里呆了将近10年 (34:37) 但是我不知道我的观众能不能听懂 (34:39) 你说他们整人很独 (34:42) 你能不能 (34:43) OK (34:43) 他然后还有 (34:45) 比如说他不让你学自己的一技之长 (34:48) 然后他把你所有的时间都要占用 (34:51) 比如说我们乐队的人 (34:53) 成人了 (34:54) 就是你一周工作6天对不对 (34:57) 你一周工作6天 (34:59) 然后你 (35:02) 你1点要签到 (35:04) 然后12点的时候 (35:07) 他们就可以吃饭了 (35:09) 然后就有很多人去吃饭 (35:10) 然后因为住在那个地方 (35:13) 本来就很不方便 (35:15) 你上午其实做不了什么 (35:16) 然后第二天就是 (35:18) 你工作要从1点到9点 (35:21) 然后你9点回家 (35:23) 你还能做什么 (35:23) 就是 (35:25) 你不能做很多自己的事情 (35:30) 然后你的社交圈子 (35:33) 我觉得是有意而为之 (35:35) 把你的社交圈子也局限在 (35:37) 你只能接触山上的人 (35:40) 然后你只能接触山上那点事 (35:43) 其实你从那里边出来 (35:45) 都是有一定的困难的 (35:48) 我觉得对有一些人来讲 (35:49) 当然我还好 (35:52) 因为 (35:54) 因为我有意识 (35:56) 我觉得我不想 (35:58) 把自己变成他们想我变成的那样 (36:04) 对 (36:10) 然后他们会就是想算 (36:13) 你开多少工资 (36:16) 然后你够多少花 (36:17) 他们会根据你的需求给你开钱 (36:20) 给你开工资 (36:22) 你比如说上次我说 (36:24) 刘伟说嫌给证人会的开的多 (36:26) 他们是算过证人会会花多少钱 (36:29) 然后去给他开多少钱 (36:31) 就是这种 (36:35) 还有比方说 (36:37) 这就真挺控制人 (36:39) 方方面面都很控制人 (36:40) 有的时候其实就是那种 (36:41) 那种威压 (36:44) 因为毕竟没有人打我 (36:45) 我给你举一个例子 (36:47) 以前我第一年去那的时候 (36:49) 我不是出国演出 (36:50) 然后当时是办签证 (36:52) 你能听到我说话吗 (36:54) 可以听到你说话 (36:55) 当时是办签证 (36:56) 然后把我护照收走了 (36:58) 护照收走之后我就以为 (37:00) OK那去办签证 (37:01) 那就可能去办需要护照了 (37:04) 结果都过了很长时间了 (37:06) 都办完了 (37:07) 还没给我发回来 (37:09) 然后我觉得挺奇怪的 (37:11) 因为我不知道 (37:12) 那时候他们是护照统一管理的 (37:15) 我觉得护照不在我手上 (37:18) 我觉得不太对这事 (37:21) 然后我就去办公室去要去了 (37:23) 我以为是他们忘了 (37:25) 因为我不知道他们是收护照的 (37:27) 我就去要去了 (37:28) 结果当时办公室是刘军和苏静老师 (37:34) 然后当时他们还有师傅 (37:36) 当时他们两个的眼睛 (37:38) 齐刷刷都看向师傅 (37:40) 但是又不很明目张胆 (37:41) 就是不敢这么很大方的看 (37:45) 但是你能感觉到是齐刷刷 (37:47) 都看向师傅 (37:49) 然后师傅迟疑了一会儿 (37:51) 说给他吧 (37:53) 然后就这样我拿到我护照 (37:56) 当时我感觉不太对 (37:59) 但我还不知道他们是把人家护照收走 (38:02) 而且我一个未成年人了 (38:05) 他们把我护照收走 (38:06) 而且为什么呢 (38:09) 怕我跑吗 (38:11) 就是如果你说 (38:14) 为什么先放在起词 (38:15) 这个行为本身就是刑事犯罪 (38:18) 具体为什么 (38:19) 他们需要向司法机关解释什么为什么 (38:22) 行为本身就是刑事犯罪 (38:24) 这就够了 (38:26) 对 (38:26) 所以你作为证人 (38:28) 其实可以考虑向司法机关 (38:32) 陈述这件事情 (38:34) 时间地点 (38:38) 其实这不是什么秘密 (38:40) 山上人人都知道 (38:43) 你去找司法机关说 (38:45) 就等于给他们再增加一份证据 (38:59) 然后他们会把山上的人 (39:03) 训练得很弱智 (39:08) 有些人真的 (39:10) 我举几个例子就不太雅 (39:12) 你想听吗 (39:14) 我没有问题 (39:15) 我担心会不会影响你的淑女形象 (39:18) 因为我没有什么淑女形象 (39:21) OK (39:21) 那没问题 (39:25) 我是见这种事听这种事太多了 (39:28) 你说吧 (39:32) 我不跟你说 (39:33) 一般就是我说话 (39:35) 我说什么话 (39:36) 我跟别人交流 (39:37) 他们不希望 (39:38) 特别是不想让我影响 (39:40) 对 (39:40) 他们用一个词影响 (39:42) 不想让我影响学生 (39:44) 成人 (39:46) 他们还说 (39:47) 就是乐队很脏 (39:49) 就是乐队很脏 (39:51) 然后成人就更脏 (39:52) 所以不想让成人影响学生 (39:54) 所以这是他们的理由 (39:56) 不想让我接触他们 (39:58) 然后 (40:01) 但是什么话可以说 (40:02) 什么话他们说来说去 (40:04) 他们不会嫌影响学生 (40:07) 我给你举个例子 (40:10) 我最后一年巡回 (40:12) 在团的时候 (40:14) 我听他们说了一整个巡回 (40:17) 因为你巡回的时候 (40:18) 你只能跟他们在一起 (40:21) 你只能跟他们 (40:22) 其实我已经花很多精力 (40:26) 就不想听那些话 (40:27) 其实我倒不是说 (40:29) 这些人有什么问题 (40:31) 有些人他很单纯 (40:33) 很善良 (40:34) 但我就说什么话 (40:35) 他能在团里说 (40:36) 那年他们经常说的事 (40:40) 就是有一个人上厕所 (40:42) 用纸用的非常多 (40:47) 长天到晚就说这件事情 (40:50) 因为巡回的时候 (40:51) 是有些人大家不愿意跟他住 (40:55) 你说其实挺奇怪的 (40:59) 在山上你可以明目张胆的 (41:02) 就是讨厌一个人 (41:04) 你不愿意跟他住 (41:05) 当时我记得那个团有一个人 (41:08) 大家都不愿意跟他住 (41:09) 然后我记得我当时还跟队长说 (41:11) 我去跟他住 (41:13) 因为第一我觉得他没什么问题 (41:16) 然后第二我觉得 (41:21) 因为我已经是大家不敢接触的人了 (41:27) 那我去接触他没什么问题 (41:31) 我去跟他住 (41:32) 我觉得真没人 (41:32) 但是大家一直说他上厕所 (41:34) 用很多纸 (41:36) 天天说 (41:37) 没完没了说 (41:38) 吃饭的时候说 (41:39) 在化妆间说 (41:40) 演出之前说 (41:42) 巡回回去我不想再听到那些话 (41:46) 所以我没有再听到 (41:48) 因为毕竟巡回之前 (41:49) 你可以自己不家住 (41:50) 巡回以后 (41:51) 就一直在说这件事 (41:54) 可不是什么事 (41:56) – 你觉得这件事的本质是什么吗 (41:58) 是什么 (41:59) – 是霸凌 (42:02) – 是霸凌 (42:03) 但是他不敢在那个人面前说 (42:06) – 不 (42:06) – 他是要制造这么一个羞辱的机制 (42:15) – 没错 (42:16) – 从这个方面羞辱别人 (42:18) – 监狱里他们对我就是这样 (42:20) – 对 (42:20) – 监狱里他们对我就是这样 (42:22) – 比如说上厕所 (42:23) – 他们说我上厕所次数多 (42:25) – 你知道吗 (42:26) – 他们问我 (42:28) – 你怎么刚吃就拉 (42:29) – 问我 (42:31) – 我说你不拉的话 (42:32) – 你把食液消化了 (42:33) – 你饿成这样了吗 (42:36) – 然后他们说 (42:37) – 他们说 虞超你怎么拉屎拉的多 (42:41) – 我说我不拉的多 (42:42) – 你吃什么呀 (42:44) – 我问他 (42:45) – 总之就是说 (42:46) – 他们可以直接跟你说 (42:49) – 他们不敢直接跟那个人说 (42:51) – 他们不敢跟那个人说呀 (42:53) – 实际上这并不是因为他们仁慈了 (42:55) – 这意味着什么呢 (42:56) – 就是说 (42:57) – 他们试图给这些人制造一种 (43:01) – 就是浸泡式的这种霸凌环境 (43:03) – 你知道吗 (43:04) – 所有人都知道 (43:07) – 没错 (43:08) – 所以我说 (43:09) – 他们整我也是一样的 (43:11) – 他们有那种生理上的羞辱你了吗 (43:16) – 我自己不知道呀 (43:18) – 他们背后也许说我说的更难听 (43:20) – 但是他们说别人被我听到了 (43:22) – 这个人呢是被管理层 (43:25) – 就是明显着讨厌的一个人 (43:30) – 所以他们也敢这样对他 (43:32) – 就是像他们敢这样对我 (43:34) – 但是 (43:35) – 我不觉得管理层会给他们发一个什么信号 (43:41) – 说你们要如此的侮辱这样的人 (43:44) – 我不知道他们为什么会 (43:46) – 他们是发了信号的 (43:48) – 比如说那个人在任何场合 (43:52) – 我都可以表现出对这个人的讨厌 (43:54) – 而我表现出对这个人讨厌之后呢 (43:58) – 在那样的环境下 (43:59) – 大家要积极的表达自己 (44:01) – 我也讨厌他 (44:02) – 这样的话 (44:03) – 说明我和管理层是在一起的 (44:04) – 监狱就是这样 (44:05) – 你知道吗 (44:06) – 我在监狱呀 (44:07) – 你说 (44:08) – 那为什么非得用 (44:10) – 你不觉得上厕所说人用纸用的多 (44:13) – 而且那个人是个女的 (44:15) – 他说人家用纸用的多 (44:17) – 这个 (44:19) – 非常的low (44:21) – 而且你知道说什么 (44:22) – 你注意啊 (44:23) – 这个 (44:24) – 他们去伤害别人的时候啊 (44:26) – 有一个要点 (44:27) – 就是要让你觉得非常的羞辱 (44:30) – 而且他们互相这样说这些非常那个 (44:33) – 其实是 (44:34) – 那个没有 (44:36) – 就是伤害别人 (44:37) – 因为你伤害别人的时候 (44:39) – 你基本上是要放下自己的这个 (44:42) – 破坏自己的这个尊严 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– 你知道 (1:08:32) – 就如果那种子弹打来 (1:08:35) – 没完没了 (1:08:36) – 就是它是一个消耗战 (1:08:39) – 我不想天天就跟他们消耗 (1:08:41) – 因为我还有我想做的事 (1:08:43) – 我全听明白了 (1:08:44) – 我来这不是跟你瞎耗这些事 (1:08:47) – 就是揪着你脖领子 (1:08:49) – 去衙门见官 (1:08:51) – 然后看看衙门说什么 (1:08:53) – 对不对 (1:09:04) – 对 (1:09:05) – 你会觉得这是一件有意义的事情 (1:09:09) – 因为太多人 (1:09:12) – 你像中国 (1:09:13) – 我不知道当时这个修炼一亿人是怎么 (1:09:17) – 是谁说的还是怎么统计出来的 (1:09:20) – 但是至少在东北 (1:09:22) – 影响到了千千万万的家庭 (1:09:27) – 千千万万的人生 (1:09:30) – 我不知道他们这么对法度 (1:09:39) – 他们怎么 (1:09:40) – 他们这么对法度 (1:09:42) – 他们这么打法度 (1:09:44) – 因为如果是我的话 (1:09:45) – 法度如果是来我家 (1:09:51) – 那我就是得好茶好水地招待着 (1:09:55) – 因为 (1:09:57) – 而且你如果是一个 (1:10:02) – 就是作为神韵那样的 (1:10:04) – 法轮功那样的主要的一个单位一个机构 (1:10:08) – 如果是法度这样的人来了 (1:10:11) – 因为你就是靠着 (1:10:16) – 靠着这种人打那张牌不是吗 (1:10:20) – 他就是吃人家馒头 (1:10:21) – 然后又把这些流血的人给抛弃 (1:10:24) – 干的就是这件事 (1:10:25) – 张天亮门钊这些人都是 (1:10:28) – 广义上都全是吃人家馒头的人 (1:10:30) – 你知道吗 (1:10:36) – 我要终结他们的这些作恶 (1:10:40) – 这是一件挺值得高兴的事 (1:10:42) – 尽管我在这过程中我也是 (1:10:44) – 弄得心里很多怨毒 (1:10:47) – 这个是我需要好好地去反省加以 (1:10:50) – 加以改变的吧 (1:10:54) – 那你刚才说想当一个正直的人 (1:10:58) – 然后你没说完 (1:11:00) – 我就是说呀 (1:11:02) – 我也希望比如像你这样 (1:11:05) – 做一个比较正直的人 (1:11:06) – 不做那些脏活 (1:11:09) – 不干那些肮脏的事情 (1:11:13) – 但是和他们打起来的时候 (1:11:16) – 我首先内心变得怨毒 (1:11:18) – 然后手段也会非常的伤害对方 (1:11:23) – 你知道吗 (1:11:25) – 我就是想有没有那些可以让我仰望的人 (1:11:28) – 用这种比较正的方式把这事给做了 (1:11:30) – 我希望他是这样 (1:11:31) – 我也不希望像你这样 (1:11:34) – 保持正直但是受欺负 (1:11:36) – 这个我不愿意 (1:11:44) – 然后你记得郑元慧 (1:11:46) – 我刚才跟你说那句话 (1:11:48) – 说她说师父低估了大家对师父的信 (1:11:53) – 就是你知道当你在 (1:11:55) – 你知道大家对师父这种感情 (1:11:58) – 我觉得我相信很多年前 (1:12:00) – 你应该也是一样的 (1:12:02) – 至少在中国的时候对不对 (1:12:03) – 对 (1:12:05) – 很多法轮功弟子都是这样的 (1:12:10) – 然后当见到师父的时候 (1:12:12) – 你比如说师父会说他有多么多么好 (1:12:16) – 会重用他所谓的提拔他 (1:12:20) – 很多人就是受宠若惊 (1:12:22) – 就这种感情可能就冲昏头脑 (1:12:28) – 但是我觉得哪怕还有一丝理智 (1:12:32) – 至少看到这些事情发生在上面 (1:12:36) – 就比如说张天亮他最清楚不过了 (1:12:39) – 他知道的事比我可多得多 (1:12:41) – 因为他太太是露露 (1:12:43) – 他在那如此这么多年 (1:12:46) – 我就是一乐队 (1:12:50) – 我不知道什么 (1:12:53) – 就是良知泯灭到什么地步 (1:12:56) – 就对我来说简直就是杀人一样的事 (1:13:02) – 他们现在还在上次跟什么方菲 (1:13:06) – 还做了一个节目两个人在那连说带笑的 (1:13:10) – 对 (1:13:10) – 我所认识的神秘演员 (1:13:12) – 我所认识的神秘演员对 (1:13:14) – 还说什么 (1:13:16) – 说人家他说那个CC说人家什么 (1:13:20) – 他的意思就是 (1:13:22) – 来了美国了 (1:13:24) – 然后能走那么多剧场 (1:13:26) – 能捋那么多油 (1:13:28) – 好像就不错了 (1:13:29) – 我就什么玩意儿 (1:13:30) – 谁还捋不了一趟油吗 (1:13:35) – 至少我没有 (1:13:36) – 我从来没有说在哪个剧场 (1:13:38) – 是我的梦想 (1:13:40) – 从来没有 (1:13:43) – 然后你知道原来我们在山上的时候 (1:13:46) – 其实吧 (1:13:47) – 大家都 (1:13:48) – 我觉得大部分人是这样 (1:13:49) – 是看真善忍去的 (1:13:52) – 就是你先修炼嘛对吧 (1:13:53) – 有一个美好的愿望 (1:13:54) – 然后想救人啊诸如此类的就是去 (1:13:58) – 但是到上面之后 (1:14:00) – 发现没有人用这一套来管理 (1:14:04) – 哪怕一个方向都没有 (1:14:06) – 但是标语师傅是写的 (1:14:08) – 在那个大厅 (1:14:11) – 神韵是希望 (1:14:12) – 神韵是未来 (1:14:14) – 神韵是方向 (1:14:15) – 还有一个神韵是什么 (1:14:17) – 我忘了反正就类似 (1:14:19) – 当时我就想如果神韵是这些 (1:14:24) – 我天哪 (1:14:26) – 就像何清凌他在那个采访里面说 (1:14:29) – 程清凌 (1:14:30) – 程清凌 (1:14:32) – 我天哪 (1:14:33) – 那简直太糟糕了 (1:14:35) – 我就想 (1:14:37) – 天哪都是你们这帮人 (1:14:38) – 我去你妈了我心里说 (1:14:40) – 我就想说如果是 (1:14:42) – 佛是那样的话 (1:14:43) – 那这佛我不当了 (1:14:45) – 对啊 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更何况这个是城市了 (1:16:42) – 第一我们也没有像他们说的 (1:16:45) – 就是有那种待遇 (1:16:46) – 第二我们根本也没想着这种待遇 (1:16:55) – 然后也没人觉得那种待遇 (1:16:57) – 就怎么怎么好了 (1:16:59) – 所以完全是欺骗 (1:17:01) – 所以完全是欺骗 (1:17:10) – 然后你看张天亮还在那说 (1:17:13) – 德蒙好 (1:17:14) – 他们就感觉就 (1:17:16) – 因为张天亮 (1:17:18) – 你说他是那个属于 (1:17:22) – 他们管理层一部分帮着施加迫害的这种人 (1:17:26) – 他就像那种招兵办的人 (1:17:28) – 就招大头兵 (1:17:30) – 你们都来都来都来都来 (1:17:31) – 但我是前线回来的 (1:17:33) – 我知道那里真实的样子是什么样子 (1:17:36) – 真实的样子就是 (1:17:44) – 把人培养成失败者 (1:17:46) – 所谓的我认为的失败者就是 (1:17:49) – 没有希望 (1:17:53) – 而且是把人培养成 (1:17:56) – 就是随时为了自保 (1:17:58) – 然后会失败 (1:17:59) – 没错没错 (1:18:00) – 而且是经常装傻 (1:18:03) – 不被人注意到 (1:18:04) – 然后稍微有一点风吹草动 (1:18:08) – 然后马上就是 (1:18:09) – 像监狱里的话是 (1:18:11) – 躲闪求隐藏 (1:18:12) – 在北京的监狱里就是这样 (1:18:15) – 就跟监狱是一模一样的 (1:18:17) – 所以他们是把孩子送进一个 (1:18:19) – 李洪志办的监狱里边去了 (1:18:21) – 要不然就是 (1:18:25) – 你就是失害者 (1:18:26) – 你就是失害者 (1:18:27) – 但是你上面总有人嘛 (1:18:29) – 最上面 (1:18:31) – 层层层层嘛 (1:18:32) – 你总有人嘛 (1:18:34) – 可能你跟着迫害别人 (1:18:39) – 你去欺负别人 (1:18:40) – 你得到短暂的好处 (1:18:41) – 我不知道 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(1:21:11) – 或者是协调中共跨国镇压的 (1:21:13) – 我都不知道这些人 (1:21:14) – 你如何面对这些现在比你年轻得多的 (1:21:18) – 22、23、24岁的小孩站出来说 (1:21:21) – 他自己以前的经历呢 (1:21:23) – 你都已经五十几岁了 (1:21:25) – 你会面临着这种指责 (1:21:27) – 一直面对到你七十几岁八十几岁 (1:21:29) – 假如你有幸活到那么老的话 (1:21:30) – 因为他们正在成长而你正在变老 (1:21:33) – 他们说的是事实而你说的是谎言 (1:21:36) – 你能撑多久就是这些人 (1:21:39) – 你说我说的这个前景是什么 (1:21:42) – 就是人 (1:21:44) – 我会觉得他们 (1:21:45) – 至少有些人 (1:21:47) – 我会觉得他们怕下地狱想成佛 (1:21:52) – 但是你不看看所谓的佛如果是这样 (1:21:57) – 就像我说的 (1:21:59) – 你非要当那样的佛吗 (1:22:05) – 我不知道 (1:22:06) – 但是我真的不理解 (1:22:08) – 我不理解就是 (1:22:11) – 有些人他明知道这一切 (1:22:13) – 然后他还把孩子送上去 (1:22:16) – 我不理解 (1:22:17) – 我不理解 (1:22:20) – 我希望我说明白了一些就是山上的真实 (1:22:26) – 我都听明白了 (1:22:27) – 我相信我的观众也能明白 (1:22:29) – 行了今天先谈到这 (1:22:32) – 我先停止这个录音
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The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (The Chronicles of Narnia #1) – Page 5/17
CHAPTER FIVE
BACK ON THIS SIDE OF THE DOOR
BECAUSE the game of hide-and-seek was still going on, it took Edmund and Lucy some time to find the others. But when at last they were all together (which happened in the long room, where the suit of armour was) Lucy burst out:
“Peter! Susan! It’s all true. Edmund has seen it too. There is a country you can get to through the wardrobe. Edmund and I both got in. We met one another in there, in the wood. Go on, Edmund; tell them all about it.”
“What’s all this about, Ed?” said Peter.
And now we come to one of the nastiest things in this story. Up to that moment Edmund had been feeling sick, and sulky, and annoyed with Lucy for being right, but he hadn’t made up his mind what to do. When Peter suddenly asked him the question he decided all at once to do the meanest and most spiteful thing he could think of. He decided to let Lucy down.
“Tell us, Ed,” said Susan.
And Edmund gave a very superior look as if he were far older than Lucy (there was really only a year’s difference) and then a little snigger and said, “Oh, yes, Lucy and I have been playing – pretending that all her story about a country in the wardrobe is true. just for fun, of course. There’s nothing there really.”
Poor Lucy gave Edmund one look and rushed out of the room.
Edmund, who was becoming a nastier person every minute, thought that he had scored a great success, and went on at once to say, “There she goes again. What’s the matter with her? That’s the worst of young kids, they always – “
“Look here,” said Peter, turning on him savagely, “shut up! You’ve been perfectly beastly to Lu ever since she started this nonsense about the wardrobe, and now you go playing games with her about it and setting her off again. I believe you did it simply out of spite.”
“But it’s all nonsense,” said Edmund, very taken aback.
“Of course it’s all nonsense,” said Peter, “that’s just the point. Lu was perfectly all right when we left home, but since we’ve been down here she seems to be either going queer in the head or else turning into a most frightful liar. But whichever it is, what good do you think you’ll do by jeering and nagging at her one day and encouraging her the next?”
“I thought – I thought,” said Edmund; but he couldn’t think of anything to say.
“You didn’t think anything at all,” said Peter; “it’s just spite. You’ve always liked being beastly to anyone smaller than yourself; we’ve seen that at school before now.”
“Do stop it,” said Susan; “it won’t make things any better having a row between you two. Let’s go and find Lucy.”
It was not surprising that when they found Lucy, a good deal later, everyone could see that she had been crying. Nothing they could say to her made any difference. She stuck to her story and said:
“I don’t care what you think, and I don’t care what you say. You can tell the Professor or you can write to Mother or you can do anything you like. I know I’ve met a Faun in there and – I wish I’d stayed there and you are all beasts, beasts.”
It was an unpleasant evening. Lucy was miserable and Edmund was beginning to feel that his plan wasn’t working as well as he had expected. The two older ones were really beginning to think that Lucy was out of her mind. They stood in the passage talking about it in whispers long after she had gone to bed.
The result was the next morning they decided that they really would go and tell the whole thing to the Professor. “He’ll write to Father if he thinks there is really something wrong with Lu,” said Peter; “it’s getting beyond us.” So they went and knocked at the study door, and the Professor said “Come in,” and got up and found chairs for them and said he was quite at their disposal. Then he sat listening to them with the tips of his fingers pressed together and never interrupting, till they had finished the whole story. After that he said nothing for quite a long time. Then he cleared his throat and said the last thing either of them expected:
“How do you know,” he asked, “that your sister’s story is not true?”
“Oh, but – ” began Susan, and then stopped. Anyone could see from the old man’s face that he was perfectly serious. Then Susan pulled herself together and said, “But Edmund said they had only been pretending.”
“That is a point,” said the Professor, “which certainly deserves consideration; very careful consideration. For instance – if you will excuse me for asking the question – does your experience lead you to regard your brother or your sister as the more reliable? I mean, which is the more truthful?”
“That’s just the funny thing about it, sir,” said Peter. “Up till now, I’d have said Lucy every time.”
“And what do you think, my dear?” said the Professor, turning to Susan.
“Well,” said Susan, “in general, I’d say the same as Peter, but this couldn’t be true – all this about the wood and the Faun.”
“That is more than I know,” said the Professor, “and a charge of lying against someone whom you have always found truthful is a very serious thing; a very serious thing indeed.”
“We were afraid it mightn’t even be lying,” said Susan; “we thought there might be something wrong with Lucy.”
“Madness, you mean?” said the Professor quite coolly. “Oh, you can make your minds easy about that. One has only to look at her and talk to her to see that she is not mad.”
“But then,” said Susan, and stopped. She had never dreamed that a grown-up would talk like the Professor and didn’t know what to think.
“Logic!” said the Professor half to himself. “Why don’t they teach logic at these schools? There are only three possibilities. Either your sister is telling lies, or she is mad, or she is telling the truth. You know she doesn’t tell lies and it is obvious that she is not mad For the moment then and unless any further evidence turns up, we must assume that she is telling the truth.”
Susan looked at him very hard and was quite sure from the expression on his face that he was no making fun of them.
“But how could it be true, sir?” said Peter.
“Why do you say that?” asked the Professor.
“Well, for one thing,” said Peter, “if it was true why doesn’t everyone find this country every time they go to the wardrobe? I mean, there was nothing there when we looked; even Lucy didn’t pretend the was.”
“What has that to do with it?” said the Professor.
“Well, sir, if things are real, they’re there all the time.”
“Are they?” said the Professor; and Peter did’nt know quite what to say.
“But there was no time,” said Susan. “Lucy had no time to have gone anywhere, even if there was such a place. She came running after us the very moment we were out of the room. It was less than minute, and she pretended to have been away for hours.”
“That is the very thing that makes her story so likely to be true,” said the Professor. “If there really a door in this house that leads to some other world (and I should warn you that this is a very strange house, and even I know very little about it) – if, I say, she had got into another world, I should not be at a surprised to find that the other world had a separate time of its own; so that however long you stay there it would never take up any of our time. On the other hand, I don’t think many girls of her age would invent that idea for themselves. If she had been pretending, she would have hidden for a reasonable time before coming out and telling her story.”
“But do you really mean, sir,” said Peter, “that there could be other worlds – all over the place, just round the corner – like that?”
“Nothing is more probable,” said the Professor, taking off his spectacles and beginning to polish them, while he muttered to himself, “I wonder what they do teach them at these schools.”
“But what are we to do?” said Susan. She felt that the conversation was beginning to get off the point.
“My dear young lady,” said the Professor, suddenly looking up with a very sharp expression at both of them, “there is one plan which no one has yet suggested and which is well worth trying.”
“What’s that?” said Susan.
“We might all try minding our own business,” said he. And that was the end of that conversation.
After this things were a good deal better for Lucy. Peter saw to it that Edmund stopped jeering at her, and neither she nor anyone else felt inclined to talk about the wardrobe at all. It had become a rather alarming subject. And so for a time it looked as if all the adventures were coming to an end; but that was not to be.
This house of the Professor’s – which even he knew so little about – was so old and famous that people from all over England used to come and ask permission to see over it. It was the sort of house that is mentioned in guide books and even in histories; and well it might be, for all manner of stories were told about it, some of them even stranger than the one I am telling you now. And when parties of sightseers arrived and asked to see the house, the Professor always gave them permission, and Mrs Macready, the housekeeper, showed them round, telling them about the pictures and the armour, and the rare books in the library. Mrs Macready was not fond of children, and did not like to be interrupted when she was telling visitors all the things she knew. She had said to Susan and Peter almost on the first morning (along with a good many other instructions), “And please remember you’re to keep out of the way whenever I’m taking a party over the house.”
“Just as if any of us would want to waste half the morning trailing round with a crowd of strange grown-ups!” said Edmund, and the other three thought the same. That was how the adventures began for the second time.
A few mornings later Peter and Edmund were looking at the suit of armour and wondering if they could take it to bits when the two girls rushed into the room and said, “Look out! Here comes the Macready and a whole gang with her.”
“Sharp’s the word,” said Peter, and all four made off through the door at the far end of the room. But when they had got out into the Green Room and beyond it, into the Library, they suddenly heard voices ahead of them, and realized that Mrs Macready must be bringing her party of sightseers up the back stairs – instead of up the front stairs as they had expected. And after that – whether it was that they lost their heads, or that Mrs Macready was trying to catch them, or that some magic in the house had come to life and was chasing them into Narnia they seemed to find themselves being followed everywhere, until at last Susan said, “Oh bother those trippers! Here – let’s get into the Wardrobe Room till they’ve passed. No one will follow us in there.” But the moment they were inside they heard the voices in the passage – and then someone fumbling at the door – and then they saw the handle turning.
“Quick!” said Peter, “there’s nowhere else,” and flung open the wardrobe. All four of them bundled inside it and sat there, panting, in the dark. Peter held the door closed but did not shut it; for, of course, he remembered, as every sensible person does, that you should never never shut yourself up in a wardrobe.
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The Boy Behind the Mask
Tom Hallman Jr.
Photos by Benjamin Brink
The Oregonian October 1, 2000, Part 1
At a certain age, nothing is more important than fitting in
The boy sits on the living room sofa, lost in his thoughts and stroking the family cat with his fragile hands. His younger brother and sister sit on the floor, chattering and playing cards. But Sam is overcome by an urge to be alone. He lifts the cat off his lap, ignoring a plaintive meow, and silently stands, tottering unsteadily as his thin frame rises in the afternoon light.
He threads his way toward the kitchen, where his mother bends over the sink, washing vegetables for supper. Most 14-year-old boys whirl through a room, slapping door jambs and dodging around furniture like imaginary halfbacks. But this boy, a 5-foot, 83-pound waif, has learned never to draw attention to himself. He moves like smoke.
He stops in the door frame leading to the kitchen and melts into the late-afternoon shadows.
He watches his mother, humming as she runs water over lettuce. The boy clears his throat and says he’s not hungry. His mother sighs with worry and turns, not bothering to turn off the water or to dry her hands. The boy knows she’s studying him, running her eyes over his bony arms and the way he wearily props himself against the door frame. She’s been watching him like this since he left the hospital a few months before.
“I’m full,” he says.
She bends her head toward him, about to speak. He cuts her off.
“Really, Mom. I’m full.”
“OK, Sam,” she says quietly.
The boy slips behind his mother and steps into a pool of light.
A huge mass of flesh balloons out from the left side of his face.
His left ear, purple and misshapen, bulges from the side of his head. His chin juts forward. The main body of tissue, laced with blue veins, swells in a dome that runs from sideburn level to chin. The mass draws his left eye into a slit, warps his mouth into a small, inverted half moon. It looks as though someone has slapped three pounds of wet clay onto his face, where it clings, burying the boy inside.

Sam Lightner at a meeting of his Boy Scout troop.
But Sam, the boy behind the mask, peers out from the right eye. It is clear, perfectly formed and a deep, penetrating brown.
You find yourself instantly drawn into that eye, pulled past the deformity and into the world of a completely normal 14-year-old. It is a window into the world where Sam lives. You can imagine yourself on the other side of it. You can see yourself in that eye, the child you once were.
The third of Sam’s face surrounding his normal eye reinforces the impression. His healthy, close-cropped hair is a luxuriant brown, shaped carefully in a style any serious young man might wear. It’s trimmed neatly behind a delicate, well-formed ear. His right cheek glows with the blushing good health that the rest of his face has obscured.
The boy passes out of the kitchen, stepping into the staircase that leads to the second floor. A ragged burst of air escapes from the hole in his throat—a tracheotomy funnels air directly into his lungs, bypassing the swollen tissue that blocks the usual airways. He walks along the worn hallway and turns into his room, the one with the toy license plate on the door. It reads “Sam.”
The Northeast Portland house, wood-framed with a wide front porch and fading cream-colored paint, is like thousands of others on Portland’s gentrifying eastside. Real estate prices have soared, but the Lightners still need new carpets in every room and could use new appliances. Although she’d rather stay home with the children, Debbie Lightner works part time as a bank teller. The paycheck helps, but she really took the job for the health insurance.
From upstairs, Sam hears 12-year-old Emily and 9-year-old Nathan laughing. The kitchen, though, is silent. The boy figures his mother and father are talking about him and this night. For months Feb. 3, 2000, has been circled on the family calendar that hangs on a kitchen wall.
He grabs a small foam basketball and throws up an arcing shot that soars across the room and hits a poster tacked to the far wall.
His mother made the poster by assembling family photographs and then laminating them. In the middle is a questionnaire Sam filled out when he was 8. He had been asked to list his three wishes. He wanted $1 million and a dog. On the third line, he doodled three question marks—in those oblivious days of childhood, he couldn’t think of anything else he needed.

The morning routine around the family’s Northeast Portland house gets hectic when five Lightners line up for one bathroom, hunt for socks, eat breakfast and rush out the door. But Debbie Lightner still finds time for play with Sam as she challenges his decision about the shirt he’ll wear to school.
Finally, his mother calls out. His teeth are brushed, his face washed. He runs his left hand through his brown hair, parting it to the right.
He must imagine what he looks like. There’s no mirror to examine his face.
In this boy’s room, there’s never been a mirror.
“Ready for this, Sam?” asks David Lightner, a weathered jewelry designer who saves money by riding a motorcycle 25 miles to work. Sam nods his head and replies with a garbled sound, wheezing and breathless, the sound of an old man who has smoked too long and too hard.
“OK,” his father replies. “Let’s go.”
His sister and brother watch from the window as Sam and his parents walk to a Honda Accord that has 140,000 hard miles on the odometer. The boy gets in the back seat, and the Honda backs down the driveway.
Just a few blocks from home, Sam senses someone looking at him. After a lifetime of stares, he can feel the glances.
The Accord is stopped at a light, waiting to turn west onto Northeast Sandy Boulevard, when a woman walking a poodle catches sight of him. She makes no pretense of being polite, of averting her eyes. When the light changes, the woman swivels her head as if watching a train leave a station.

On school mornings, Sam rustles up his own breakfast, and his sweet tooth sometimes gets the better of him. His wholesome side might lead him to microwave a bowl of hot cereal. But he’s just as likely to top it with chocolate syrup.
Grant High School’s open house attracts more than 1,500 students and parents. Even though they’ve come early, the Lightners must search for a parking place. Sam’s father circles the streets until he finds one nearly 15 blocks from the school.
The family steps out onto the sidewalk and walks through the dark neighborhood. As Sam passes under a streetlight, a dark-green Range Rover full of teen-age boys turns onto the street. A kid wearing a baseball cap points at the boy. The car slows. The windows fill with faces, staring and pointing.
Sam walks on.
Soon, the streets fill with teen-agers on their way to Grant. Sam recognizes a girl who goes to his school, Gregory Heights Middle School. Sam has a secret crush on her. She has brown hair, wavy, and a smile that makes his hands sweat and his heart race when he sees her in class.
“Hi, Sam,” she says.
He nods.
“Hi,” he says.
The boy’s parents fall behind, allowing their son and the girl to walk side by side. She does most of the talking.
He’s spent a lifetime trying to make himself understood, and he’s found alternatives to the words that are so hard for him to shape. He uses his good eye and hand gestures to get his point across.
Two blocks from Grant, kids jam the streets. The wavy-haired girl subtly, discreetly, falls behind. When the boy slows to match her step, she hurries ahead. Sam lets her go and walks alone.
Grant, a great rectangular block of brick, looms in the distance. Every light in the place is on. Tonight, there are no shadows.
He arrives at the north door and stands on the steps, looking in through the windowpanes. Clusters of girls hug and laugh. Boys huddle under a sign announcing a basketball game.
Sam grabs the door handle, hesitates for the briefest of moments and pulls the door open. He steps inside.
He walks into noise and laughter and chaos, into the urgency that is all about being 14 years old.
Into a place where nothing is worse than being different.
* * *

The computer room in Sam’s house is out of main traffic patterns, and it’s a place where Sam can slip off into his own world. On the Internet, Sam is just another screen name in a chat room, where his words speak for themselves, unfiltered by his distorted voice or his appearance.Years later she still wonders if it was something she missed, some sign that things weren’t right. But it wasn’t until her seventh month that Debbie Lightner learned something had gone terribly awry.
She struggled to sit up on the examination table. The baby, her doctor said, was larger than it should be. Debbie watched him wheel up a machine to measure the fetus. She felt his hands on her stomach.
“Something’s wrong,” the doctor said again.
He told Debbie he would call ahead to the hospital and schedule an ultrasound. He laughed and told Debbie he just wanted to be sure she wasn’t having twins.
The next morning, at the ultrasound lab, the technician got right to work.
He immediately ruled out twins.
Then, a few minutes into the test, the technician fell silent. He repeatedly pressed a button to take pictures of the images on the monitor. After 30 minutes, he turned off the machine, left the room and returned with his boss. The two studied the photographs.
They led the Lightners down the hall to a prenatal specialist. Their unborn child, he said, appeared to have a birth defect. The ultrasound indicated that the child’s brain was floating outside the body.
He had to be blunt. This child will die.
Some parents, he said, would choose to terminate.
No, Debbie remembers telling him. She and her husband were adamant that they would not kill this baby.
On Sunday, Oct. 6, 1985, six weeks before she was due, Debbie went into labor at home. David drove her to the hospital, and the staff rushed her to the delivery room for an emergency Caesarean.
She heard a baby cry. A boy. The boy they’d decided to name Sam.
She passed out.
When she came to, she asked to hold her child.
No, her husband said. The boy was in intensive care. He needed surgery.
David handed his wife two Polaroids a nurse had taken. A bulging growth covered the left side of the baby’s face and the area under his neck.
”What is it?“ Debbie asked.
“I don’t know,” David said. “But he’s alive.”
When the Lightners arrived at the neonatal ICU, they were led to an isolette, a covered crib, that regulates temperature and oxygen flow. A nurse had written “I am Sam; Sam I am”—a line from Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss—and taped it to the contraption.
Wires from a heart monitor snaked across the baby’s tiny chest. He was fragile, a nurse said, and they couldn’t hold him.
The mass fascinated Debbie, and she asked if she could touch her son.
The nurse lifted the cover of the isolette, and Debbie reached down with a finger. The mass was soft. It jiggled. Debbie thought it looked like Jell-O.
The nurse closed the cover.
Debbie and her husband returned to her room, and she climbed into bed. She picked up one of the pictures her husband had given her and covered the mass with her fingers to see what her son should have looked like. He had brown hair and eyes.
She wept.
* * *

The temptation is to break ranks during a family portrait, and wave when a neighbor drives by. Still almost everyone stays in character, Nathan, 9, is a cutup who mugs for the camera. Emily 12, tries to stay dignified. Maggie, the vocal family dog, is uncharacteristically quiet, but David and Debbie are their naturally casual selves.
Tim Campbell, a pediatric surgeon known for tackling tough cases, walked into the ICU and peered into the isolette. The boy had a vascular anomaly. They were rare enough, but what this tiny infant had was even rarer. The anomaly was a living mass of blood vessels. And it had invaded the left side of Sam’s face, replacing what should have been there with a terrible tangle of lymphatic and capillary cells.
The malformation extended from his ear to his chin. Campbell knew there was no way to simply slice it off, as if it were a wart, because it had burrowed its way deep inside Sam’s tissue. Doctors knew little about such anomalies except that they were made up of fluid-filled cysts and clots that varied in size from microscopic to as big as a fingertip.
Campbell gently pulled the baby’s mouth open. The mass swelled up from below and wormed its way into his tongue, threatening to block his air passage. He could barely breathe, and only immediate action would save him. He asked a nurse to direct him to the Lightner room.
Campbell introduced himself, explaining the surgery. He didn’t mince words.
“I’m going to be in there a long time,” the Lightners remember him saying. “It’s risky. He’s little, and he’s premature.”
Campbell operated for six hours and removed 1 pound, 10 ounces of tissue from under Sam’s neck. He operated a second time to remove bulk above his left ear and to ease his breathing with a tracheotomy tube. But there was no way, he told the Lightners, that he could safely remove the mass on Sam’s face.
Campbell had sliced away a quarter of the infant’s weight. Baby Sam, who weighed 5 pounds after the surgeries, spent three months recovering in the hospital.
* * *
He was 3 when he first realized he was different. His father remembers Sam running up and down a hallway when he stopped in midstride and stared at his image in a full-length mirror. He touched the left side of his face, almost as if to prove to himself that he was in fact that boy in the mirror.
He cried.
His parents had been expecting this day. His father bent over and took Sam by the hand. He led him to a bedroom off the hall. Debbie joined them. David lifted Sam onto the bed. And then his parents told the little boy the complicated facts of his life.
Except for the deformity, Sam was normal in every way. But everyone outside Sam’s circle of family and friends would have a hard time seeing beyond the mass of tissue on his face.
And so it was.
A little girl grabbed her mother’s hand when Debbie pushed Sam, in a stroller, onto an elevator. The girl stared at the little boy, pointed at him and then loudly told her mother to “look at the ugly baby.”
Bystanders often assumed Sam was retarded. A woman asked Debbie what drugs she had taken during her pregnancy. Strangers said they’d pray for the boy. Others just shook their heads and turned away.
His parents went to another surgeon to see if he could reduce the mass. He removed some tissue from behind Sam’s left ear but encountered heavy bleeding and closed up. Even then, the incisions wouldn’t heal. Sam bled for six weeks.
When the Lightners realized their son would have to live with his face, they refused to hide him from the world. They took him to the mall, to the beach, to restaurants. In Northeast Portland, where the Lightner family lived, people talked about seeing a strange-looking boy. “That boy,” they called him.
The Lightners enrolled Sam in the neighborhood school. Sam, his breathing labored, caused a stir during registration. Teachers worried about having the boy in their classes.
But he was an excellent student. He made friends, joined the Cub Scouts and played on a baseball team. He tried basketball for a year, but he fell easily because his head was so heavy.
When Sam turned 12, he told his parents that he wanted to change his face. They took him to Dr. Alan Seyfer, an OHSU professor who chaired the medical school’s department of plastic and reconstructive surgery. What Seyfer saw made him leery.
The mass was near vital nerves and blood vessels that surgery could destroy, leaving Sam with a paralyzed face. Hundreds of vessels ran through the deformed tissue, and every incision would cause terrible bleeding. Sam could bleed to death on the operating table.
Nonetheless, Seyfer, who spent 11 years as a Walter Reed Army Hospital surgeon, wanted to help. And so he scheduled Sam for surgery in June 1998. A month before he asked a friend, the chairman of the plastic-surgery department at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, to join him.
A week before the surgery, Seyfer and his partner examined Sam one last time. They peered down his throat so they could study the mass without having to make an incision.
They didn’t like the view.
That afternoon, Seyfer met with Sam and his parents and said he had made an agonizing decision. The surgery was too risky. In good faith, he could not operate.
The news crushed Sam. He realized he had always held out hope that a surgeon would pull him out of the horrible spotlight that targeted him every time he went out in public. But no. He was trapped.

Graduation from eighth grade is a big night for Sam—he wins the citizenship award and receives a huge round of applause from the crowd of parents and students. Sam’s father playfully tousles his hair on the way out of the auditorium as brother Nathan watches.
Sam Lightner pedaled his bike as hard as he could, but his family zoomed ahead. His legs ached, and he panted for breath. Even his younger brother could ride his bike farther and longer.
Most days during this spring 1999 vacation, Sam wanted to just lie in bed and watch television.
And when he spoke, his family kept asking him to repeat himself. No one—the desk clerk at Central Oregon’s Sunriver Lodge, the woman in the gift shop—could understand him. He garbled his speech, as if he were speaking with a mouthful of food.
But he wasn’t eating. At dinner, he sat with his family, listening, picking at his food, waiting to go lie down on the sofa. Over his protests, his mother took him into the bathroom and weighed him.
Five pounds, she said. He’d lost five pounds. But a later visit to his pediatrician turned up nothing.
Sam woke up one morning in pain. He touched his face and found it tender. The mass was growing. His mother gave him Advil, but the mass continued to swell. Within a week, he couldn’t swallow the pill. He stuck his finger in his throat. His tongue felt bigger. By the end of the week, Sam cried continually.
A doctor removed a lump where Sam’s shoulder met his neck, thinking the lump was pressing against a nerve. But the pain continued.
On Sunday, Aug. 8, 1999, Sam came downstairs from his bedroom. He found his mother outside, sitting on the front porch. He walked out and sat next to her, crying. His speech slurred, and he had to repeat himself. The pain, he managed to tell her, had spread across the entire left side of his face.
The next morning, at the hospital, nurses poked and probed his face. He sat still while strange machines whirled about his head. And then he waited while specialists reviewed the X-rays and CAT scans. They found nothing.
Sam refused to go home. Someone, he pleaded, had to help him.
Doctors admitted him and ran more tests. Four days later, on Aug. 13, the mass awakened.
Pain racked Sam’s body. He tried to call for help but couldn’t speak. With his fingers, he reached up. His swollen tongue stuck several inches out of his mouth. He punched the button beside his pillow to call for help.
He wrote in a notebook to communicate with nurses and doctors, a notebook his mother would later store away with the other memorabilia of Sam’s medical journey.
“I have no idea why. Since I was a baby. I was born with this.”
“When I cough hard, little capillaries burst and a little blood comes out.”
“Don’t touch.”
“Please, it hurts.”
He held out his arm so nurses could give him morphine. They fed him through a tube.
Then the door to his room opened, and a new doctor walked in. The man asked Sam if he knew him. Sam shook his head.
“I’m Tim Campbell,” the doctor said.
He’d been making routine rounds when he spotted Sam’s name on the patient board. Campbell hadn’t seen the boy since he’d operated on him nearly 14 years before, the day after he was born.
Dr. Campbell thumbed through the reports at the nurses’ station. He checked Sam’s chart. The boy weighed 65 pounds—he was wasting away.
Campbell pulled up a chair.
“How do you feel?”
Sam wrote in his notebook: “Anything to stop the headaches.”
“Anything else?”
“I really don’t think this is going to work out.”
“The doctors are trying.”
“Please try your hardest.”
“Hang in there, Sambo.”
“I’m in pain. It was really bad this morning.”
Campbell made a note to order more morphine.
“I hurt.”
And methadone.
“I’m tired.”
“Try to sleep.”
“Will it kill me?”
The Boy Behind the Mask
Tom Hallman Jr.
Photos by Benjamin Brink
The Oregonian October 2, 2000, Part 2
Acceptance sometimes comes in the struggle to achieve it
Dr. Tim Campbell looked down into Sam Lightner’s face. The boy, he remembers thinking, was giving up. Unless something dramatic happened, he would die.

Dr. Tim Campbell, the Portland surgeon who operated on Sam shortly after his birth, was on routine hospital rounds when he encountered his old patient and resumed caring for him.
The 14-year-old lay motionless in his bed at Portland’s Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center. His bloated face spilled across most of the pillow. His tongue protruded grotesquely from his mouth, and the swelling on the left side of his face wrenched one eye completely out of position. In late summer of 1999, the deformity he’d carried since birth had suddenly grown to life-threatening size, choking off his airway and esophagus.
Sam, Campbell remembers thinking in blunt medical slang, was “circling the drain.” He’d seen the same look in children battling terminal cancer. At a certain point, they accepted their fate and surrendered to death.
The doctor hurried back to his office, rummaged through his desk drawers and pulled out a slim blue book, a list of every pediatric surgeon in North America. He flipped through the pages.
Campbell paused when he reached the résumé of Dr. Judah Folkman, a cancer researcher he’d met 30 years earlier when they were both young surgeons. Folkman’s research team had controlled tumors in mice by stifling the growth of the blood vessels that supplied them, causing a national stir and overwrought speculation that a cancer cure was at hand.
Folkman planned to test his technique on humans for the first time in May 1999. Campbell considered the fact that a wild excess of blood vessels had created Sam’s deformity. Maybe, he thought, Folkman’s strategy would work on the boy.
But Folkman, besieged by more than a thousand desperate cancer patients a week, is fiercely protective of his time. He grants no interviews. A secretary screens all calls.
Campbell punched in the telephone number listed in the blue book, hoping Folkman might grant a favor to an old friend. The secretary put him on hold. Then Folkman came on the line.
His response was discouraging. Sam’s malformation was fully formed, and his method worked only on growing tumors. But Folkman suggested Campbell call a pediatric surgeon who worked for him as a research fellow. Campbell scribbled out a name: Jennifer Marler.
She was a member of the Boston’s Children’s Hospital Vascular Anomalies Team, which treated malformations just like Sam’s. Pleas for help deluge that team, too, and the surgeons can respond to only a fraction. But when Campbell reached her, Folkman’s name provided instant access.
Marler suggested that Campbell take some photographs of Sam and send them along with the boy’s medical file. Campbell should address the package to her to make sure it didn’t get lost in the slush pile.
The best she could offer was that she’d take a look.
* * *
Sam Lightner turned his head and stared straight into the camera while Campbell photographed his face. After Campbell left the hospital room, a psychiatrist walked in, pulled up a chair and began asking questions. Sam scribbled his answers in the notebook he used to communicate.
Then Sam asked a question.
“Why is this happening?”
The psychiatrist had no answer. Instead, he asked another question. Tell me how you feel about life, Sam remembers him saying. Is life unfair?
How stupid, Sam thought. His tongue was sticking three inches out of his mouth. He couldn’t eat. His left eye bulged abnormally, reacting to pressure that seemed to build each hour. An IV drip line ran into his arm and pumped him full of drugs: morphine, methadone, Celebrex and nortriptyline—a combination of painkillers, anti-inflammatories and antidepressants. None of them helped. No one could tell him what was wrong.
Is life unfair?
“Sometimes.”
And then the swelling receded. Doctors couldn’t explain why, but the sudden eruption died down as mysteriously as it had come to life. On Sept. 2, 1999—after a month long hospital stay—Sam went home.
But everything was different. Physically, Sam was a shell. He had lost 17 pounds and was down to 63 pounds. He could not speak. And the battle with the malformation had scarred him. His mother remembers a listless child who wouldn’t stir from bed.
* * *
On Nov. 15, 1999, doctors determined Sam was healthy enough to get back into his old routine. When he returned to Gregory Heights Middle School, however, something had changed. All the talk in the hallways was about high school—girls, dances, sports. Being popular.
Life as Sam Lightner knew it was ending. All his classmates were obsessed with how they looked and how they fit in. But for Sam, the issues every young teen faces were magnified a thousandfold. He was moving out of the cocoon of familiarity that kept him among family and longtime classmates, who could see past the disfiguring mass he carried on his face. He was moving into a world of judgmental teen-agers and he would carry with him a terrible handicap, a face drastically shortchanged of its ability to reach others with a subtle expression, a slightly raised eyebrow, a flicker on the edge of his mouth. He was being cast among strangers who would turn away from his alien features so fast that they would miss the boy behind the mask.
Like all teens, Sam’s perception of how others saw him would determine how he saw himself.
And when strangers looked at Sam, they first fixated on the left side of his face, a swollen mass that looked like a pumpkin left in the fields after Halloween. His left ear was even more abnormal, a purple mass the size and shape of a pound of raw ground beef. His jaw, twisted. His teeth, crooked. His tongue, shoved to the side. His left eye, nearly swollen shut.
When he walked to school each morning, he stopped at the crosswalk on Northeast Sandy Boulevard and watched passengers in cars and buses stare at him. When he walked through the neighborhood, he heard laughter and comments.
Once, a neighbor boy led his friends over to Sam’s house and knocked on the front door so the others could see Sam’s face.
* * *
In late August, a thick envelope arrived in Dr.Jennifer Marler’s office. She noticed it was from a Dr. Tim Campbell, an unfamiliar name, and tossed it aside. At the end of the day, after a brutal round of surgery, clinics and lab research, she was about to head home to her husband and three children when she spotted the envelope.
She dropped into her chair, grabbed it, ripped it open along one end and dumped the contents onto her desk. She started with the medical report: Patient has lymphaticovenous malformation of the left side of face and neck. Condition was diagnosed prenatally. Involvement of the airway necessitated a tracheotomy. Difficulty swallowing necessitated a gastronomy tube. Malformation has grown to the point of orbitaldystopia. In all other areas of life, though, the patient has developed normally.
She remembered—the Portland boy.
She searched through the paperwork and foundseveral photos. She picked one up and held it between her fingers. The photograph haunted Marler.
The boy lay in a hospital bed, staring at the camera with pleading eyes. He looked like one of the children featured in ads aimed at raising money to help poor kids overseas.
Marler scanned the reports. The kid was on a morphine drip, diagnosed as clinically depressed.
Marler was 38 and had been a doctor for 11 years. Outside of a textbook, she had never come across such a profound facial deformity. He was the saddest-looking child she’d ever seen.
And she had seen many. A score of photographs hang on her office wall, the faces of children who have set the course of Jennifer Marler’s life. Some of the images show children she successfully operated on, relieving them of the deformities that robbed them of their futures. Others tell sadder stories, reminding her of children who died from their abnormalities or who took the risk of surgery and didn’t survive.
Marler picked up the telephone and spoke with the nurse who scheduled weekly team conferences for the Vascular Anomalies Team. During the meeting, doctors discuss cases and decide whether they want to tackle them. The nurse said the next chance to present a case would be Sept. 22, 1999, just three weeks away.
She decided she’d present Sam Lightner’s case and argue that he be brought to Boston. First, though, she had to get the facts down cold. She picked up the telephone again, called her husband, apologized and told him to have dinner without her. She talked to her three young daughters and told them Mommy had something important to do.
* * *
The team met Wednesday evenings in the surgical library. Members, fellows and residents gathered around a 15-foot-long oak table, nibbling cookies and sipping soft drinks.
Everyone found a seat, the lights dimmed and the patients’ images appeared, one by one, on an overhead screen. The team members flipped through paperwork, scanning each patient’s medical history. They spoke in short, clipped sentences, rife with medical jargon, challenging one another, looking for potential problems that might rule out surgery.
Marler remembers studying the paper in front of her. Nineteen children were up for consideration. Fewer than half would be chosen.
The team moved quickly: The agenda included an 8-month-old girl from Argentina. A 3-year-old girl from Italy. A 9-year-old boy from Minnesota.
Sam Lightner was next. His picture—the one Dr. Tim Campbell had taken—flashed on the screen.
“Who is he?” someone asked.
Marler recalls choosing her words carefully. She wanted to make sure the team knew something of the boy’s life. He was in pain, she says she told them. Without hope. The disfigurement severe.
Although the center takes some of the most difficult cases in the world, Marler knew Sam Lightner presented major problems.
Behind her, she heard papers rustle as the team read his medical history. They quickly zeroed in on those risks. They hesitated. Before making any decision, the team members wanted more information.
Next case.
Marler scheduled Sam for the Nov. 3, 1999, meeting. Again the answer was no.
At the Nov. 10 meeting, she tried again, focusing not on the entire team, but on Dr. John Mulliken, the surgeon who directs the Vascular Anomalies Team and a researcher who’s trying to figure out the causes of defects such as Sam’s. Mulliken lectures at hospitals around the world and co-founded the International Society for the Study of Vascular Anomalies. He’s written 185 scientific articles, 40 book chapters and two complete books.
The way Marler saw it, a team of doctors would have to operate on Sam. And Marler wanted to be on the team.
At this meeting, she spent an unusual 30 minutes arguing her case, knowing this was her last chance. She studied Mulliken, an impatient man, as he reviewed the files. She knew what he was thinking—the horrendous bleeding, and the tangle of nerves in the mass. If Mulliken damaged one, the boy might lose the ability to speak, to close his left eye or to smile.
She appealed to Mulliken’s pride and compassion. No other surgeons, Marler remembers telling him, believe they can fix this.
She watched Mulliken, Sam’s last hope.
The projector’s motor hummed. Sam Lightner’s face peered out into the room. Mulliken looked up at that face.
Bring him to Boston, he said.
* * *

Sam, on his first commercial airline flight, checks out a map and discusses it with his mom while their MD-80 carries them across the country to Boston, where Sam will meet the surgeons at Children’s Hospital.

The visit to Children’s Hospital includes a long round of appointments with different doctors In one waiting room, Sam entertains himself by spinning in an office chair while his parents mark the hours.
On April 7, 2000, Sam Lightner and his parents walked three blocks from their Boston hotel to Children’s Hospital. The Lightners silently rode an elevator to the third floor, where a smiling receptionist waved them over and took the Lightner file. Sam found a seat and flipped through a stack of magazines. He caught the eye of a woman sitting across from him. She turned away. Sam saw her whisper something to a woman sitting next to her before both turned back to stare.
“Samuel Lightner,” the receptionist called.
A woman led them down a hallway to an examination room. Sam climbed onto the table. A few minutes later, the Lightners heard a soft knock.
She stood 5 feet 7 inches tall and wore a white doctor’s smock over a long black skirt with matching black hose and shoes. Her brown hair was cut in a pageboy. “I’m Dr. Marler,” she said.
She sat down on a doctor’s stool, tugged on her glasses and fiddled with a string of pearls that lay across her white and blue-striped blouse. “I’m so glad to meet you,” she told Sam. A flush spread up his neck.
Debbie Lightner dug through her purse and handed Marler a picture taken shortly after Sam’s premature birth. Marler stared at the image of the tiny infant. “Boy,” she said, “you were a little peanut.”
The Lightners explained Sam’s medical history—the emergency surgery right after his birth, the ear surgery that led to six weeks of persistent bleeding and the reluctance of other surgeons to even attempt cutting away the main mass of tissue. Marler took notes, interrupting occasionally to ask a question or to look at additional photos.
“I think you’re in the right place,” she continued. “Dr. Mulliken is both a craniofacial surgeon and a specialist in vascular anomalies. That makes him the right man for the job.” She swiveled to face the examination table.
“So let’s take a look, Sam.” She patted his knee. He smiled.
“What grade are you in now?”
“Eighth,” he said, in his raspy voice.
Marler ran her fingers across the mass, sizing it up. She sighed.
Sam’s father cleared his throat. “He’s going into the ninth grade,” David Lightner said. “He wants the size of his head made smaller. He’s a little bit more concerned about his appearance now.” Marler patted Sam on the shoulder. “I can understand that, Sam,” she said. “I’ll bring in Dr. Mulliken and our cast of thousands. On this one, we’re going to need everyone’s opinion.”
She walked out, closing the door after her.
“You’ve been waiting for this a long time, haven’t you, Sam?” Debbie Lightner asked her son.
“Nervous?” his father asked.
“I’m just hoping.”
The door opened, and Marler walked back in, followed by six doctors who formed a semicircle around Sam. A man wearing a bow tie with blue and red polka dots stepped forward.
“Hi, Sam. I’m Dr. Mulliken. Nice to see you.”
He perched on the examination table next to Sam. He took the boy’s head in his hands as if holding a basketball and moved it gently, running his fingers from one side of the face to the other. He frowned. All the blue veins showing through Sam’s waxen skin worried him.
“Oh, boy,” he said. “There’s a lot of venous component there. This is an incredible overgrowth.”
He released Sam’s head and climbed off the examination table. He stepped back two feet and crossed his arms, looking like a sculptor studying a block of granite. He moved to the left. The semicircle moved with him. Back to the right. The other doctors shuffled into place.
Mulliken ran his hands over his face. He groaned.
Marler jumped in. “I think he has very good facial nerve function.”
“Smile, Sam,” Mulliken commanded.
He sighed again. “OK,” Mulliken said. “Let’s write down some things.”
That was what Marler had waited eight months to hear. She smiled, sat on a stool and opened her notebook, ready to send off instructions on what Mulliken needed to know about the inside of Sam Lightner’s head.
“I want Reza to look down the trach and see what’s going on there,” Mulliken said, asking one of his colleagues to peer down Sam’s airway. “Send him to AP for a Panorex. Find a CP and get pictures downstairs. We’re going to have to decide what’s going on in terms of flow, and if there’s anything we can do to make it easier.” He looked at Marler.
“Got all that?”
“Right,” Marler said.
Mulliken boosted himself back onto the exam table. He scooted up next to Sam as if he were the boy’s grandfather. He put his hand on Sam’s knee.
“What bothers you the most?” he asked. “If you had one thing you wanted, what would that be?”
Sam shrugged. He stared at his hands, folded in his lap.
“Should I give you some choices?” Mulliken asked. “Some multiple choices?”
Sam responded with a barely perceptible nod.
“Our goal will be to make you look as symmetrical as possible, to balance out your face,” he said. “A Picasso is a great painting, but no one wants to walk around with one for a face. We have many things to talk about: Making your ear smaller, the tongue movement, the eye. The neck’s pretty good.”
He put his arm around Sam’s shoulder. “What do you want, Sam?” he asked quietly, as if the room were empty except for the two of them.
Sam bowed his head and stared at his hands.
“Well, you’re really down to the choice of two things,” Mulliken said. “We can focus on the face or the ear, but we can’t do both at the same time. If we get the face smaller, the ear will look bigger. Frankly, I just don’t know. The face is tough, very tough. Lord, I just can’t imagine…”
Sam raised his head. He looked deeply into Mulliken’s face with his one good eye. “I want to fit in,” he said in his raspy whisper. “I want to look better.”
Mulliken nodded, his features softening. He pulled the boy a little closer. “I can understand, Sam.”
David Lightner, standing against the back wall, pushed his way through the semicircle until he faced Mulliken, who dropped his arm from Sam’s shoulders and faced the father. “His goal?” Lightner said. “Well, Sam’s 14 years old. Like you put it, he’d like a more symmetrical face. I’m ambivalent. I understand the risk of the whole thing. But this is something Sam wants. We’re supporting him.”
“OK, Dad,” Mulliken said. Then he swiveled on the table and faced the doctors.
“I think it will be reasonable to focus on this huge area on the side of his face,” Mulliken said. “It’s no-man’s land, and it will be hard to work in that area. The problem’s going to be finding the facial nerve branches and separating them from the malformation. They look exactly alike.”
Mulliken slid off the table and paced. He shook his head, as if he were having an argument with himself. “The bleeding. Boy! When you are dealing with a pure lymphatic tissue malformation, bleeding is just an annoyance. But if you have these venous components, which he has, it’s more than a problem.”
He smiled. “But Sam, I’m going to try.”
The goal, Mulliken told the room, was to get the mass on the side of Sam’s face down to the bone. If Mulliken could eliminate the mass, Sam could return to the hospital for more surgery to reshape the bone. That surgery would be much easier.

Dr. Jennifer Marler (left) acted as Sam’s persistent advocate, urging her colleagues to bring him to Boston. There, Dr. John Mulliken got his first look at the Portland boy.
“Another operation?” Debbie Lightner asked. “The insurance company’s going to really love us.”
Mulliken broke through the semicircle and stopped in front of her. “Listen,” he said, “you show that insurance company photographs of this boy and there won’t be a dry eye in the house.”
The Lightners looked at each other.
Mulliken moved aside so they could look at Sam.
“Sam?” his father asked.
Sam nodded, more firmly this time.
Mulliken moved back to his patient. “This is going to be tough. We’re in for a rough time in the operating room. It’s going to be a microscopic dissection, and we’re going to need a team.”
He looked around the room. “Dr. Marler, me and one or two others.”
He stepped back once more to look at Sam. “His face is going to be swollen for a long time,” Mulliken said. “By the time he goes to school, though, he should look considerably better. Push me to the wall, and I’d like to think we could make it 50 percent better.”
“Sam,” he asked, “is this something you really want?” Sam nodded. Mulliken patted the boy on the shoulder.
“Let’s schedule for July,” he told Marler.
Sam’s father cleared his throat. “From seeing him in person, is this something you want to do?”

3-D CAT scans revealed the extent of the bone deformity that lies beneath the tissue mass on Sam’s face. The shape of the bone means that Sam’s image will remain distorted even if the tissue mass is removed, although surgeons think they can straighten the bone in a later—and much simpler—operation.
Mulliken frowned. “Well …”
“I’m being blunt,” David said. “We have to know.”
Mulliken sat on the exam table again. “I don’t know if ’want’ is quite the right word,” he said quietly. “I think that we can do it.”
He ran his hands over his face. “I know we can do it,” he said. “I wish I could make him perfect. All plastic surgeons search for perfection, just like Michelangelo. I can’t give him perfection.”
He hoped he could remove a large amount of tissue from the side of Sam’s face. But he also knew the underlying bone would remain seriously misshapen. When the world looked at Sam after the first surgery, it would still see an extraordinary deformity. But removing the tissue was the necessary first step to dealing with the bone.
“Dad, I’m bothered that he has to live with this mass,” Mulliken said. “Everyone should have the right to look human.”
* * *

Doctors worry about the nerve function in Sam’s face, and they check carefully to see how his deformity has affected his ability to feel and move.
The giddiness the Lightners felt vanished almost as soon as the jet roared down the runway at Logan International Airport and headed west, back to Portland, back to reality. Once home, David and Debbie went back to work, and Sam returned to eighth grade.
Sam’s mother took Sam to register at Grant High School. An administrator walked in, noticed the Lightners sitting outside the counselors’ office and stopped. He introduced himself and shook Sam’s hand. He turned away from the boy, as if Sam were deaf. He told Debbie that Grant had a great special-education class for mentally retarded students.
Her son, he said, would love it.
* * *
The telephone rang in the Lightner home. Dr. Jennifer Marler told Debbie Lightner that surgery was scheduled for July 6. Having a date, something to put on the calendar, made it real. And frightening.
After dinner, the Lightners called their children together. Sam sat at one end of the dining-room table, his father at the other. In between were Debbie, Emily, 12, and Nathan, 9. The family cat, Alice, jumped onto the table.
David Lightner played with a pencil, turning it end over end. “I wanted to discuss how this is going to affect us,” he said. “We’re up in the air about whether we should do it. Mommy talked with Dr. Marler for quite a while. There are dangers, but Dr. Marler said if Sam was her child, Dr. Mulliken would be the man.”
David fiddled with a magazine. “There are some things that could happen,” he said. “We have to be honest about that.”
“Like what?” Nathan asked.
“If some of the nerves are damaged, Sam’s face could droop,” his mother said. “He’d be paralyzed on that side.”
“You mean he wouldn’t feel it?” Emily asked.
“Right.”
No one looked at Sam.
“He might bleed a lot during surgery,” his mother said. “They think they can control it, but you never know. I think Dad just wanted to have it all out on the table for everyone to talk about one last time.”
David Lightner shifted in his chair.
“Now that we’re 3,000 miles away,” he said, “it puts a different spin on it. It’s more complicated sitting here.”
Debbie touched Sam’s arm. “Sam, do you still want to do this?”
Sam nodded.
“I want to hear it.”
“Yes,” Sam said, firmly.
“It’s your decision,” his father said. “That’s the deal. If I felt something was wrong, I’d intervene. I don’t sense that. But I have to be honest, it scares me a little bit.”
“Me, too,” Nathan said.
“Me, too,” Emily said.
“I worry about the potential damage to him,” said David. “As it stands, he’s Sam. He is who he is.”
“He’ll look different,” Emily said. “Sam is Sam.”
“He is who he is,” said David. “We don’t think anything’s wrong with him.”
David leaned forward, arms on the table, and stared across at his son. “Any doubts, Sam?” he asked. “If you say ’no,’ we call and cancel right now, date or no date.”
“I’m a little nervous,” Sam said. “But I like the doctors.”
“Well, it scares me,” his father said. “It’s the unknown. Here we have the situation that Sam deals with. It’s the known. It’s not ideal for him because of his face. His face freaks people out. But it’s a known property. And it’s a little bit scary to risk everything because the world doesn’t accept his face.”
“Dad, I’m sure,” Sam said. “Look what happened at Grant.”
His father bowed his head.
“That’s what people think about him,” Debbie said. “They think he’s mentally defective.”
Sam leaned forward and mustered all his strength.
“I want to do this,” he said.
David placed both hands on the table.
“We are fearfully and wonderfully made,” he told his family. “And very fragile.”
He sighed.
“All right,” he said. “It’s a go.”
The Boy Behind the Mask
Tom Hallman Jr.
Photos by Benjamin Brink
The Oregonian October 3, 2000, Part 3
The risks we take can tell us who we are
A nurse appears in the doorway. It’s time to go, she says. Sam Lightner takes a deep breath and nods feebly. He lifts himself, his hands trembling slightly on the arms of the chair, and walks across the small pre-op waiting room to give his parents a hug.
“We love you, sweetie,” says his mother. She pulls him close and kisses him softly on his left cheek, right on the mass that the waiting team of doctors will target. Sam looks at his mother through his right eye—the only truly normal feature on his face. He blinks it once. A wink.
“Have a nice sleep,” says his father as he gives his son a hearty pat on his shoulder.

David Lightner wraps his arms around his son as a nurse waits to walk Sam down the hallway toward the operating room.
The nurse touches the 14-year-old on the shoulder and leads him down the hallway. His gown hangs loosely on his 83 pounds, exposing his spindly legs. In another room, nurses help him onto an operating table. He lies down, and a nurse inserts an IV line into an arm. Then she injects drugs to make him drowsy. When his eyes flutter, he’s wheeled into Operating Room 16.
It is Thursday, July 6, 2000, just three months since Sam and his parents visited Boston to find out if this elite surgical team, the only one in the world with any chance of correcting his deformity, would take his case.
The room is about the size of a two-car garage with a 15-foot ceiling. It’s chilled to 64 degrees, which cuts down on the growth of germs and keeps the doctors comfortable as they work. Two massive operating lights, each with four bulbs, hang over the table. Everything but the white walls—the drapes that cover the patient and the operating table, the surgical scrubs and the shoe covers—is light blue.
“You’re just falling asleep now, Sam,” says a nurse as she strokes his hair. “Just falling asleep, Sam.”
His eyes close.
An anesthesiologist takes her place behind the bank of machines that will control the boy’s body during the operation. She switches a knob, and the sound of a pump fills the room. It is a steady beat—one swoosh every two seconds—and fills Sam’s lungs with air, breathing for the unconscious boy.
The circulating nurse, responsible for everything that comes in and out of the room, sorts through a cluttered desk to find Sam’s medical history. In these final quiet moments, she sits on a corner stool and flips through a folder the size of a small telephone book, reading about this small boy’s long journey. The nurse puts the file down and walks to the operating table. An intravenous line pumps Sam’s body full of saline, a way of making up blood volume in the face of the bleeding that is sure to follow.

A member of the medical team comforts Sam as he lies on a gurney, drifting off into anesthetic sleep in the moments before the surgery begins.
The swinging door to the scrub room opens with a bang, and Dr. Jennifer Marler enters Operating Room 16. Her arms drip with water. The circulating nurse hands her a sterilized towel.
Marler, a 38-year-old mother of three, lobbied to bring Sam here to Boston, to Children’s Hospital, the nation’s largest pediatric medical center. In late 1999, Marler presented and pressed Sam’s case before the hospital’s Vascular Anomalies Team. The team members balked—the surgery was tremendously risky. But eventually Marler won them over.
The goal was to cut away a mass on the left side of the boy’s face. If all goes well, that will set the stage for a later operation on the misshapen bones in his face. But first, surgeons must cut their way down to the facial bone.
A nurse helps Marler into her surgical gown and a set of gloves. She moves to the operating table. She runs her hands across Sam’s face, gently, almost caressing the boy, not as a doctor but as a mother.
“We’ll take good care of you, Sam.”
She leans over his body and begins suturing his eyelids. She does not want his eyes to open during surgery—the swirl of scalpels, needles and surgical gowns around his face could scratch a cornea.
Word about Sam and the impending operation has filtered through the hospital, Harvard Medical School’s primary pediatric teaching hospital. The staff is curious about something that pushes the boundaries of medical practice.
A nurse from Operating Room 17 pops in. “Wow,” she says. “How old is he?”
“Fourteen,” says Marler.
“Where’s he from?”
“Oregon.”
“Does he go to school?”
“He does,” says Marler. “He’s very personable.””
As Marler begins preparing Sam’s face, the scrub doors swing open, and Dr. John Mulliken, the surgeon who will lead the team, strides silently into the room. He stops to study Sam’s three-dimensional CAT scans, which hang from a lighted viewing board. He has never encountered so complex a case.
He holds out his hands. A nurse helps him into his gown and gloves. He walks to the operating table and looks at his patient. “Good preparation,” he tells Marler. “Good preparation.”
Surgery is Mulliken’s life. He works weekends. He hasn’t had a vacation in years. He’s never married and has no children. He dotes on his dog, Girlie, and his cat, Felicia. A cabinet in the operating room carries 19 photographs of the two pets.
During surgery Mulliken can be gruff, and some of the rotating nurses have complained to the administration that he barked at them when they didn’t move quickly enough or when they handed him instruments he didn’t consider clean. But for this operation, Mulliken has assembled a team of people who have worked with him for years. They all have thick skins.
He reaches down and grabs Sam’s head with both hands. “His head’s just so big,” he mutters. “It just rolls around.”
He turns to a nurse. “I can’t have it rolling,” he says. “Stop it.”
The nurse scurries through the room, searching in cabinets until she finds something that looks like a doughnut the size of a dinner plate. Sam’s head fits in the hole. Mulliken tries moving the head. It doesn’t budge. “Good,” he says.
The swinging doors open again. Dr. Gary Rogers joins Mulliken at the head of the operating table. The blue surgical scrubs cover their bodies. The caps fit snugly over their heads. Masks hide their mouths and noses. Each wears special black glasses outfitted with surgical microscopes that will allow them to peer deep into the boy lying in front of them.
Mulliken ignores his teammates. He walks around Sam’s head, studying it from all angles. Knowing this would be a difficult operation, he had scheduled a warm-up earlier in the morning: repairing a cleft palate in an infant. His hands are limber and steady.
The surgical nurse makes the final adjustments to tool-lined trays beside her. The circulating room nurse awaits her first order. Mulliken, Rogers and Marler adjust the microscopes over their eyes. Mulliken points to a spot near Sam’s left ear. That, he says, is where he wants to make the first cut.
“Everyone agree?”
Marler and Rogers bend over Sam. “Yes,” they say in unison.
Mulliken takes a deep breath. “OK,” he says.
He holds out his right hand and asks for a scalpel. He grasps it firmly. “This is going to be a bear,” he says. “Let’s do it.”
The scalpel parts the skin, and the flesh gives way to the blade.
Then the blood begins to flow.
* * *

Bathed in the intense glow of the operating-room lights, Dr. John Mulliken (left) and Dr. Jennifer Marler (right) struggle to find the facial nerves hidden in the mass of tissue they are trying to remove from Sam’s face.
The first drop of blood lands on the floor, and Mulliken calls for suctioning. Marler uses a tool attached to a clear plastic tube. In seconds, it resembles a piece of red licorice that snakes across Sam’s body, down the floor and to a holding tank where the boy’s blood collects.
Rogers holds back the skin, allowing Mulliken to proceed. After 15 minutes, the lead surgeon has opened up a 3-inch incision. The bleeding hasn’t slowed.
He calls for a syringe. Marler injects more drugs designed to speed clotting into Sam’s neck, hoping they will slow the bleeding.
The team waits. The blood flows freely.
The team confers. Mulliken could close up now, suture the incision and end the operation. When the Lightner family traveled to Boston three months earlier to meet Mulliken and Marler, Mulliken made it clear that this surgery was risky. The only other time Mulliken tackled a case this serious, he made an incision, encountered massive bleeding and closed.
If he continues, he and his team will have to work furiously, trying to stay one step ahead of massive bleeding while they peel back the skin. And even if they expose the mass, they might never find the nerves that branch out into the tissue. If they cut a nerve, they could paralyze the left side of Sam’s face.
The tissue mass is a jumble of skin, tissue, nerves, lymphatic vessels, veins and arteries. A Nerf ball filled with blood and fluid. Mulliken has no road map. If he plunges ahead, it will be like replumbing a house with the water turned on.
Operating Room 16 awaits his decision.
He leans over Sam’s body. “Let’s do it,” he finally says.
The circulating nurse jumps from her chair and hustles to a phone. She punches in the four-digit number to the hospital’s blood bank. Six units of blood are now in a cooler in Operating Room 16. The nurse tells the bank to set aside an additional six. Even if all goes well, Sam will bleed so much during the operation that she will have to replace his entire blood supply.
She glances to a plastic bag holding a unit of blood that drips from an IV line into Sam’s right arm. The bag is half-empty.
Mulliken lengthens the incision. The bag drains.
Mulliken, Marler and Rogers operate quickly, the suctioning line thick with the boy’s blood. Each time the scalpel moves, it slices a blood vessel. They go through 50 surgical towels and countless sponges, soaking up blood so they can see where they are.
Mulliken calls for the Bovie, a machine that electrically cauterizes blood vessels. In a normal body, the machine stops bleeding, and the surgery is almost bloodless. Marler leans over Sam’s body and grasps the Bovie, a device that looks like a dental drill, in her right hand.
There is the sound of sizzling, as if grease has been dropped onto a grill. A plume of smoke rises from Sam’s face. But the bleeding continues.
A nurse walks behind the surgical team and hangs a third bag of blood on the IV line. “Jesus Christ,” Mulliken mutters.
The team begins to pull back the skin. They can see the edge of the mass. “Easy,” Mulliken tells Marler. “Easy.”
The side of the boy’s face oozes blood. Drops splatter the floor. A red stain spreads through the surgical drape as if someone had spilled a glass of wine on a white tablecloth. Nurses call for another 10 towels. Within minutes, they are soaked through, and the nurses dump them into a bucket.
The insides of Marler’s shoes are soaked with Sam’s blood. She asks for a new pair of wool socks.
Mulliken sees only one option: They’re going to have to stitch each blood vessel closed. He calls for needles.
While Marler continues cutting, Rogers uses the Bovie, and Mulliken starts stitching. The surgical nurse goes through packet after packet of stitches and tells the circulating room nurse she needs more.
Mulliken’s fingers tire, and Marler takes over. Then Rogers. The bleeding slows to a trickle. The team has tied more than 200 stitches.
Slowly, they pull Sam’s skin back and cover it with a towel to keep it moist.
The mass is exposed.
Mulliken looks to a board in the far corner of Operating Room 16. Sam has gone through three units of blood. And the team hasn’t even reached the heart of the operation. He steps away from the table. He tells Marler and Rogers to clean up the area surrounding the mass. He’s going to take a break.
The phone rings, and the circulating nurse answers it. “We’re No. 1 again,” she calls out to the room.
For the past 10 years, U.S. News and World Report magazine has ranked Children’s Hospital best in the country. It’s won the award again.
“Your friend says you had a bet with him,” she tells Mulliken. “He says you owe him a dinner. He wants lobster.”
Mulliken strolls toward the door. “Yeah, yeah, yeah,” he says, disappearing through the swinging doors.
* * *
Surgical coverings hide Sam’s body and most of his face, leaving only the tissue mass exposed under the glare of the surgical lights. It looks like a piece of raw prime rib.
Even to someone as experienced as Mulliken, the mass is a mystery. X-rays don’t show soft tissue. So there’s no way of knowing how invasive the mass is or what it’s wrapped around. A single nerve leaves the brain and divides into five branches that spread out to control the side of the face. But the mass could rest on top of nerves, or it could spread under them. Or the nerves could snake right through it.
The boy has few enough pathways to connect him with the rest of the world. If Mulliken guesses wrong and cuts a nerve, Sam loses an important part of what he has left—the ability to blink his eye, to crinkle his forehead or to smile.
News of what’s going on in Operating Room 16 has spread throughout the third floor. Residents and other doctors wander in to look at the CAT scans hanging on the wall. They stand back and stare at the mass, bloody and glistening in the high-powered lights.
“Unbelievable,” says a visiting doctor.
He turns to the circulating nurse. “How old is he?”
“Fourteen,” she says. “And he’s really nice.”
The doctor looks at scans, which make Sam look like a cyborg in a science-fiction movie.
“Isn’t that the saddest thing you’ve ever seen?” he asks. “It’s heartbreaking. This kid must have a tough life. That’s no way to live.”
On the way out of the room, he passes Mulliken, who re-enters Operating Room 16 with a shout. “Children’s Hospital is tops,” he says. “We’re No. 1.” Even through his surgical mask it’s clear he is frowning.
“I was hoping we would be second or third,” he announces. “That way we won’t be so damn complacent around here.”
He checks with Marler. The blood has slowed to a trickle.
His job now will be to hunt for the nerve branches and to cut away the mass of tissue. The team will use an electric probe. If they touch a nerve, a portion of Sam’s face will twitch.
Out of habit the circulating nurse pulls down a thick anatomy book. She turns to the page that details the facial nerves and leaves it open on a table so the team can refer to it. But it will do them no good. In this section of Sam’s body, nothing is where it should be.
The team works under microscopes. Looking for the nerve will be like hunting for a white rope encased in white concrete.
Test. Cut. Test. Cut.
They begin removing bits of the mass. The bleeding begins again.
An hour passes, and Mulliken goes to the scrub room. He takes off his gown and gloves, and returns to flop in a chair away from the operating table. The pressure is intense, physically and mentally, and the team plans on working shifts—when one surgeon tires another will take the scalpel. Mulliken leans back and rests his head on a cabinet. He closes his eyes. After 15 minutes, he stirs.
“How’s it going,” he calls to Marler.
“The nerve must be surrounded by scars from his previous surgery,” she says.
“Don’t relax,” he tells her. He knows the biggest danger is in getting sloppy and cutting something that appears to be tissue but may in fact be the edge of a hidden nerve.
“Jennifer, are you looking?”
“There’s nothing,” she tells him.
He leaves the room to scrub and to check on his cleft-palate patient. He returns 30 minutes later. About four and a half hours have passed since the surgery began.
“How you guys doing?” he yells when he enters Operating Room 16. The silence is ominous. After getting in his gown and gloves, he moves to Marler’s side. He looks over her shoulder.
“Is this the same case?” he jokes.
“Hey,” she admonishes him with a chuckle.
“You found it yet?”
“We think we found the region.”
“I know the region,” he says. “I want the nerve. Where is it?”
He takes over, and Marler strips off her gown. She is going to take a shower, get something to eat and call her family and tell them she won’t be home until late that night.
Test. Cut. Test. Cut.
A nurse walks behind the surgical team and hooks up a fourth unit of blood to Sam’s IV line. Marler returns 20 minutes after leaving and finds Mulliken frustrated and worried. They haven’t found any branches of the main nerve, and the operation is entering its fifth hour.
And the kid is bleeding. He thinks of Dr. Alan Seyfer, the Portland surgeon who nearly attempted a similar operation on Sam when the boy was 12, and then decided the risks were simply too great.
“Seyfer was right,” Mulliken grumbles. “Seyfer was right.”
He mops up more blood and turns to see that the fourth unit is nearly gone. “This was a mistake to take this case,” he says. “I don’t think we can help this boy.”
Mulliken tells his team there are two choices: Increase the risk of destroying part of the nerve by cutting even faster. Or close up.
“I’ve been here before,” he says. “I think we should close up.”
Marler turns to him. “Let’s keep going.”
Mulliken moves to the side. “Jennifer,” he snaps, “you take over. You wanted to bring him here; you look for the nerve.”
Marler takes the probe, and 90 more minutes pass. The team has gone through more than 200 sponges and towels soaking up Sam’s blood. The holding tank where the suction line empties sloshes red.
“I think I got it,” Marler shouts.
“This is in a portion of scar tissue like you have never seen,” she tells Mulliken, who pats her on the back.
She applies the electric probe again, and a muscle twitches. “You got it?” Mulliken asks.
“I got it,” says Marler. “It’s all encapsulated. I can’t distinguish the nerve from the scar tissue. And it’s deeper than it should be. I’m afraid to dissect any farther.”
Mulliken trades places with her. He peers into the side of Sam’s face and holds out his right hand. A nurse hands him a scalpel. He leans over, inches from the mass. He touches it with the tip of his scalpel.
“Well, I can’t budge it from the scar tissue,” he says. “It is literally entangled in it.”
Marler uses the probe. Sam’s forehead moves.
“Every time I dissect, I’m worried,” Marler says. She and Mulliken turn away from Sam and look intently at each other.
“It’s bad,” he says. He peers back into the mass, which is oozing blood. He stands up.
“We’ve come this far,” he says. “We’ve got to get it out.””
Rogers assists with suctioning and controlling the bleeding so Mulliken can see where the nerve might lie.
“Let’s stimulate around what we think is the edge,” Mulliken says.
Test. Nothing. Test. Nothing. Test. Reaction.
Mulliken cuts. “It should be under here,” he says. “Jesus.”
He sighs. “I would go right here,” he says.
Mulliken, Marler and Rogers, instruments in each hand, all focus on a spot in the mass the size of a quarter. “I think I found a branch above,” Mulliken says.
The fourth bag of blood is nearly gone.
Mulliken turns to Marler and asks for the probe. He tries to work his way back up the tiny nerve he’s located, searching for the main branch.
He applies the probe again, but the room is silent.
“Come on, people,” he snaps. “Talk to me.”
“Yes,” says Marler. “His forehead moved.”
Mulliken tries again. They are more than six hours into the operation.
“Bingo,” says Mulliken.
* * *

The surgery has dragged on for hours with little progress, and Mulliken, taking a breather next to an array of Sam’s CAT scans, is feeling the frustration and exhaustion.

Darkness has fallen and more the 10 hours of surgery have already passed as David and Debbie Lightner doze in the empty waiting room.
The team moves out from the nerve they’ve located, hunting for other branches. “We have to see it, to get around it,” Mulliken says. “The nerve is going right through this mass.”
Marler turns to him. “Just imagine what it’s going to be like getting there,” she says. “What are we going to do?” Mulliken says nothing.
“Could we get the malformation off and then go back and do a nerve graft?” she asks.
“No,” he says. “We can’t even find all the nerves. Jesus Christ,” he says. “We’ve been here nearly seven hours, and we can’t even get to the nerves.”
Rogers strips off his gown and leaves the room for a break. Mulliken and Marler bend over Sam. Suddenly, blood spurts onto Marler’s blue gown. The scalpel has nicked a branch of the carotid artery.
“Bleeder,” Mulliken yells, calling for clamps and sutures to stanch the spurting blood. The surgical nurse doesn’t move fast enough for him. “Come on,” he shouts. “Come on.”
He works frantically. “We got a real bleeder here,” Mulliken yells. “Oh, Jesus.”
The fourth bag of blood is gone. A nurse scurries to hang a fifth, which drains as though it has a hole in it. A sixth bag begins to empty just as fast.
The blood loss could send Sam Lightner into cardiac arrest. He is close to death.
Mulliken leans into Sam’s body, violently shifting the head, stitching and then reaching out to grab another instrument and stitching again. The bleeding slows.
Rogers returns. “What’s up?” he asks.
“We get into the carotid branch of the vessel, and you walk off?” Mulliken says.
Rogers, mystified, looks at Marler.
“We’re fine,” she says. “We’re fine.”
* * *
The hallway outside Operating Room 16 empties. It’s 10:30 p.m., and janitors are already cleaning the surrounding rooms, readying them for the next day’s cases. In all of Children’s Hospital, only one surgery continues—the one in Operating Room 16.
The members of the team have to get reoriented. They suction off the blood and begin testing, looking for nerves again. Mulliken probes. “Let’s get going here,” he says. “We’re losing time.”
He asks the surgical nurse for a tool covered with green dye and maps the nerve branches right on the exposed tissue. The team can cut anything in between the green lines. When they reach the edge, they must test, getting as close to the nerve as possible. They think they’ve found all the nerves, but they won’t be sure until Sam regains consciousness and actually tries to move.
They begin cutting.
Small pieces, the size of a toenail clipping. Then much larger, some of them size of a marble. “Say,” Mulliken says. “You know that we’re the No. 1 hospital in the country?” He chuckles.
Nurses and doctors laugh.
“You know what we are doing now?” he asks. “We’re rolling, rolling, rolling.” He sings lines from the theme to the old television show “Rawhide.” And hacks away at the mass.
“You ever see anything like this?” one nurse asks another.
Marler dissects the area under Sam’s chin. “That should go,” she says as she pulls out a large chunk. “Let’s go the extra mile.”
Mulliken pulls the flap of skin back over Sam’s face. “He looks a lot better,” he says.
He folds the flap back down. “Folks,” he says, “We’re down to the bone.”
* * *
Sam’s blood has completely lost the ability to clot, and the nurse rushes to replenish it with a seventh bag. “He’s bleeding from every little hole,” Mulliken says. “Jesus Christ, things are starting to blow up. We’re getting out of here.”
He stands to speak to the room. “Close,” he says.
Rogers and Marler stitch Sam’s skin flap back to the side of his face. “That chin of his is going to look awesome,” Marler says. “Not a bad way to start high school,” says Mulliken. He steps away from the table, taking off his gloves, gown and mask. He sits at a table and fills out forms. He glances at a wall clock to note the time.
It is midnight. The surgery has lasted nearly 13 hours.
He files the paperwork and walks out the door and down the empty hallways. Through another set of doors and then into the bowels of the hospital. In the waiting room, he finds Sam’s parents asleep on separate sofas.
He clears his throat. They stir.

David and Debbie Lightner in the recovery area of the Intensive Care Unit, quietly examine the results of the surgery that has just ended. The post-surgical swelling is intense, and it’s hard to see how much progress the surgeons have made.
“Everything is fine,” he tells the Lightners. “All is well.”
“How difficult was it?” David asks.
Mulliken sits on a chair and runs his hands across his face.
“This was very difficult,” Mulliken says. “The most difficult surgery I’ve ever performed. At times we were very discouraged, and it wasn’t easy. But no one ever wanted to give up.”
He yawns. “All is well,” he says, rubbing the back of his neck. “The next step will be fixing the mandible bone, probably next summer. That won’t be a problem.”
The Lightners turn to each other. They hold hands.
“You know, doctor, when I talk with you, I realize how Sam’s face really looked,” David says, his voice breaking. “To me, to us, he’s always been just Sam. I guess we got used to it. To us, he’s just a kid with a big old head.”
Mulliken nods.
“The family doesn’t see it,” he says. “It’s the rest of the world, all of us, the strangers who can’t see beyond the face. That’s the sad part.”
The Lightners stand. They move toward Mulliken but hesitate, not sure of what to do or what to say.
“Thank you,” says Debbie Lightner. She runs her hand across her eyes.
Mulliken smiles. “You’re welcome,” he says.
He turns and disappears through the door.
The Boy Behind the Mask
Tom Hallman Jr.
Photos by Benjamin Brink
The Oregonian October 4, 2000, Part 4
“I am Sam, Sam I am”
The doors to Operating Room 16 opened with a bang, and two intensive-care nurses pushed Sam Lightner’s gurney into the hallway, maneuvered it to their left and toward an elevator.
Behind them, a nurse tossed bloody sponges and towels into a bucket on the floor. Another nurse put the final touches on official reports, glancing at the wall clock to note that the boy was leaving the room just after 12:30 a.m. on July 7, 2000. Thirteen hours had passed since a highly specialized team of world-class surgeons had begun Sam’s operation on the morning of July 6.
A thick bandage—brilliant white except for a streak of red left by the blood still oozing through sutures on his neck—encased Sam’s head. An IV line pumped drugs and painkillers into his body. He was heavily sedated, not expected to stir for at least the next 36 hours.
Dr. Jennifer Marler, one of Sam’s three surgeons, pulled off her surgical gown and gloves. In her blue surgical scrubs, she hurried after the bed and pushed her way into the elevator. She wanted be next to Sam when he arrived in the Intensive Care Unit.
The elevator doors opened, and nurses wheeled Sam into a private room. Quickly they plugged lines running from his body into a bank of monitors. They adjusted the screens, and Marler motioned to the nurses. They followed her to the nurse’s station.
She opened Sam’s file and pulled out a color photograph taken in April, when Sam had first been evaluated at Boston’s Children’s Hospital. Sam, Marler explained, was a 14-year-old from Portland, Ore. He’d been born with a venous malformation—a bulging mass of blood vessels and tissue—on the left side of his face. And this, she said, is what he had looked like. She dropped the photograph on the counter. The nurses murmured.
Marler left the file on the counter and walked back into Sam’s room. The frail boy’s body barely filled the bed. His head had swelled to the size of a basketball, completely cloaking his features. Never, Marler told nurses checking on Sam, had she seen a head that big. Make sure it was always supported, she told them. If it somehow dropped off the bed, the weight could cause a spinal injury.
Marler wondered what Sam would look like when the swelling went down in a month. The goal had been to remove the tissue mass, setting the stage for a future surgery on the underlying bone. This first stage of his facial reconstruction might make Sam look 50 percent better, the surgeons figured.
But 50 percent improvement on a facial deformity such as Sam’s— the worst Marler had ever seen—still left a lot of work undone. And Sam was only 10 weeks from his first day at Portland’s Grant High School, a day when he would walk into a mob of judgmental adolescents who’d never seen him before.
Marler remembers standing over the boy’s bed and wondering: Was 50 percent enough?
* * *

When Sam wakes up after surgery, he can communicate only by pressing programmed keys on a small computer suspended in front of his face. He presses Button No. 1 to say, “I hurt.”
On Saturday, July 8, Sam Lightner stirred. His mother, hovering over him, called his name. He briefly opened his eyes before slipping back to sleep. Sam, unable to speak, was supposed to communicate with a small computer. Four responses—“I hurt,” “I need to go to the bathroom,” “yes” and “no”—had been preprogrammed. Sam had only to lift a finger and push one button to answer.
Debbie Lighter asked Sam how he felt.
Sam slowly raised a finger and punched button No. 1.
The pain, nurses told his mother, would be severe for at least three weeks. Even after he left the hospital, he would need painkillers.
That afternoon Marler showed up at the hospital. It was her day off, but she wanted to check on Sam. She recalls reminding herself, as she made her way to the ICU, to look confident, to hide her worry from the Lightners.
The surgery had been the most difficult operation of the lead surgeon’s career and one that had tested the entire team’s resolve. Sam’s anatomy was abnormal, the malformation just a jumble of tissue, blood vessels and nerves. Because X-rays don’t show soft tissue, the nerves lay concealed in the surrounding mass. Damaging a key nerve would have paralyzed the left side of Sam’s face. If that had happened, Sam would have lost the ability to blink his eye, to crinkle his forehead or to smile.
She checked in at the nurse’s station, received an update on Sam and then walked to his room.
She remembers the Lighters standing by the bed, looking at their son. A line from a ventilator—the machine was still breathing for Sam— was hooked into his tracheotomy, the hole in his throat that bypassed the tissue mass. The hole would remain until Sam completed all his surgeries.
Marler made small talk with the Lightners, wondering how she could check on Sam’s nerves. She felt good about the branches leading to his eye and forehead. But what about the branch to his mouth? That area had been hellish in Operating Room 16. She had to know, but Sam seemed to be sound asleep.
She asked if Sam had been awake at all. Yes, said Debbie, he’d woken up enough to stir when she spoke.
Can you make him smile? asked Marler. I need to see if he can smile.
Debbie Lightner leaned over Sam’s bed, moved her head closer to her son’s. Marler inched in right behind. His mother called to Sam.
The only sound in the room was the steady whoosh from the ventilator.
Marler saw the boy’s eyes flutter. Good sign. Try again, she told Debbie.
Sam, Debbie Lighter said, I need you to smile for me.
There was no response, and Debbie Lightner tried again. Sam, she said, smile.
Then, slowly, the outer edge of his mouth began to curl.
And Sam Lightner smiled.
* * *

Before Sam had his surgery he was measured for a mask that would fit over his head and help the left side of his face heat in the best possible position. It’s hot, it itches, and a lump in the fabric hurst. If it’s not cushioned Sam wears it reluctantly, and only when he sleeps.
Eight days after surgery, an internist walked into Sam’s room. The time had come to remove the bandages.
The surgeons who had operated on Sam had told the Lightners to be realistic. The unveiling would be anticlimactic, even disappointing. Sam’s face had taken a beating in the surgery. The buildup of internal fluids would make his face look more distorted than at any time in his life. For the next two months, he would wear an elastic mask each night to force his face into shape and to combat the swelling. The true results, they said, would be revealed in late September or early October.
Even so, Sam could hardly wait to see his new face. Later, he remembered the bandages coming off. The cool air on his face. The doctor backing away from the bed, and his mother moving in to help him.
He was unsteady, a colt learning to walk, and she guided him to the bathroom, to the mirror. The surgeons’ message played in his head— don’t get your hopes up. And then he looked at his reflection.
He focused first on the chin: It was rounder.
Then he examined the entire left side of his face: For the first time in more than a year, he could actually see his left ear, huge and distorted, because the tissue mass that had obscured the ear was gone.
Sam turned to his mother. He smiled, raised his hands to give her a thumbs-up sign. Then she led him back to bed.
Days later, doctors released Sam from the hospital, although they asked that he stay in Boston for several days so that he’d be close to the hospital if an infection set in. Painkillers made the days bearable; so he and his mother explored a museum and visited Fenway Park to see where the Boston Red Sox played.
Then, on July 19, the day before they were to fly home, he felt a lump on his chin.
He showed his mother. When she touched his chin, it hurt. She called the hospital. She was told to bring him right over.
She and Sam walked three blocks from their hotel, checked in and took a seat in the waiting room.
Dr. Jennifer Marler remembers that she was on her way to the laboratory when she spotted the Lightners sitting on a bench. She walked over and asked how they were doing. Debbie explained. Marler asked Sam how he felt. He couldn’t speak. He shrugged his shoulders. He cried.
Marler told them to wait there. She walked over to the receptionist, picked up the telephone, called the lab and canceled her appointment—she had something more important to take care of. She checked with the receptionist, found an empty examination room and collected the Lightners.
Once in the room, she turned the lights low to calm Sam. The mass under his chin, she explained, was not a growth but a buildup of fluid.
He was fine.
What she needed to do, she explained, was to drain the fluid. She administered a local anesthetic, and—while she waited for it to take effect—studied this boy who had dropped into her life 10 months before when a package and a plea for help from Tim Campbell, Sam’s Portland doctor, arrived in her office.
Their relationship had begun with a simple photograph, one Campbell had taken as a way to show the desperation of Sam’s situation. That photo had haunted Marler. It was the photo that led her to repeatedly petition the reluctant team of elite surgeons who would ultimately give in and bring Sam to Boston. It was that photo that would ultimately change his life … and hers.
But on this day in July, she was thinking of a different photo— the picture of a new Sam, a post-surgery Sam, that would join the gallery of photos on her office wall. There his face would appear among the 20 that most touched her during her medical career, the children—some dramatically transformed and some who failed to survive—who had come to her for help. After all she’d been through with this boy, one day Marler wanted to hang a picture of Sam on that wall.
She touched his chin. He did not flinch. She reached for a syringe to drain the fluid from his chin. She wanted to distract him when the needle pierced his skin.
Sam, she remembers saying as she jabbed him, I want you to promise to send me a photograph of you when you get home.
She finished her work, and they all moved to the door, ready to go their separate ways. Marler didn’t know what to say. And then she realized there was nothing to say. She spread her arms wide, pulling Sam close. She hugged him tightly, and tears rolled down her cheeks.
* * *

Debbie Lightner has been trimming Sam’s hair all his life. She spreads newspaper on the kitchen floor, places a chair on the paper and spritzes Sam’s hair with a plastic spray bottle.
The Frontier Airlines jet touched down in Portland on July 20th. Sam Lightner made his way up the aisle and into the crowded terminal. He saw his father, brother and sister carrying balloons reading: “Welcome Home.” They all hugged Sam and told him he looked good.
The surgery was behind in more ways than one. The family’s insurance company, negotiating directly with Children’s Hospital, had reached final resolution on the cost of the surgery. The grand total was $75,000.
It was time to celebrate.
But Sam felt listless. The skin that had been peeled back during surgery, which had been so healthy in Boston, was pale and waxy. His mother remembers feeling his forehead on the flight and thinking he was running a slight fever.
On July 25, the Lightners took Sam to see Dr. Tim Campbell, the pediatric surgeon who had operated on him when he was a day old, the doctor who had sent the plea for help to Jennifer Marler.
Sam shuffled into the waiting room, barely able to pick up his feet. He found the first chair, fell into it and leaned against the wall. He closed his eyes and curled his legs under him. A bead of sweat glistened on his forehead.
The receptionist called his name. With effort, he pushed himself out of the chair and followed her down the hallway to the examination room. His parents trailed behind. He climbed onto the examination table and let his head sag forward. His mother walked over and ran her hands through his brown hair.
The door opened and Campbell, in his light-green surgical scrubs, strolled in carrying Sam’s file.
“Sambo, you old dog,” he said. “How are you?”
Sam slumped against the wall.
“He’s not feeling well,” Debbie Lightner said. ““He had a fever of about 100 this morning. And he seems so tired. I don’t know if it’s from the trip home or what. But he just doesn’t seem himself.”
Campbell put the file down, washed his hands and walked over to the examination table. He leaned close to Sam.
“Sambo,” he said gently, “let me take a look at you.”
Sam raised his face.
“He looks a little swollen,” he said, “but that’s to be expected. Sam, how about lying down for me?” He ran his hands over Sam’s face, checked the file and then walked over and touched Sam’s forehead, feeling the tube the Boston surgeons had sutured under the boy’s scalp. “I think it’s time we take that drain tube out,” he said.
“Now this might hurt a bit, Sam,” Campbell said. “But it’s going to be over quickly.”
Sam tried to sit up, struggling, kicking his legs. “No,” he moaned. “No.”
His father held Sam’s legs. His mother moved to grasp his arms. Even so, he struggled and wiggled. Campbell yanked twice and drew out a clear line. “OK, big boy,” he said. “It’s over.”
Sam sat up, tears streaking his face.
“He’s lost 10 pounds,” Debbie Lightner said. “Some, I know, is from the surgery. But …”
Campbell asked if Sam was eating well, and when he heard that the boy’s appetite had lagged, he sighed.
“I think I’m going to put Sam in the hospital,” he said.
“No,” croaked Sam. “No. Please.”
Campbell patted Sam on the shoulder, kept his hand there and talked to Sam’s parents. “I want him in there for a day or two,” he said. “I want a blood culture, a blood count and I want him on IV antibiotics. I’m sure that blood count will be way off. I think he has an infection. We have too much invested here to take any risk.”
Sam sobbed, appalled that—after all the painful days he’d spent bedridden in Boston—he was headed back to the hospital.
“I know he’s not happy about it,” Campbell said. “I know he wants to go home. But he can get real sick, real fast. Those germs could spread through his body and cut off his windpipe. It could be life-threatening.”
Campbell patted Sam once on the shoulder. “I’m sorry, Sam,” he said. “I really am. Don’t give up, Sam. We’ll lick this.”
“At least we’re home,” David Lightner told his son.
“And it will only be a couple days,” Debbie Lightner added.
An attendant pushed Sam’s wheelchair across an atrium and into the main hospital building. A nurse poked at the boy with a needle while Sam cried and thrashed. She finally connected with a vein and started antibiotics flowing.
Sam checked into a hospital room and spent the next two days watching TV and reading magazines.
The swelling went down. His temperature dropped. And he started slipping out of bed to stroll the hospital halls, dragging his IV setup along with him.
Two days later, as Campbell had promised, Sam checked out of Emanuel and headed for the family home in Northeast Portland. When he got to the house, he looked in the bathroom mirror. With the swelling receding, the left side of his face was noticeably reduced. The bottom of his chin, once distended and pointed, was flat and smooth. Even his left eye, which the mass had pushed and distorted, seemed to be in a more normal position. His parents told him he looked great.
But …
When he scrutinized his face, looking at himself the way he knew strangers would, he realized that he didn’t look dramatically different from before the surgery.
The skin on the left side of his face, even though relieved of the huge mass of tissue that had once supported it, still formed a dome over the deformed bone underneath it. His jaw remained out of alignment, and it still distorted his mouth and teeth. Removing the tissue mass had further exposed his left ear, large, spongy and misshapen.
The surgeons would turn to all those problems the following spring. But in a month, on Aug. 24, 2000, the freshmen will register at Grant High School.
* * *

Even though the first round of his surgery is finished, Sam still has a tracheotomy that requires some special attention during the day. So he and his mother visit the school nurse a week before classes begin at Grant High School to work out the details of his care.
The boy sits on the living-room sofa, lost in his thoughts. His parents are at work. His younger brother and sister are enjoying the last two weeks of summer vacation. He moves through the house, looking at the clock, waiting for his mother to come home and take him to Grant.
Today he will register, officially joining the class of 2004. His sister asks him a question, but he ignores her. He has too many things on his mind.
He walks up to his bedroom, the one with the toy license plate on the door that reads “Sam.”
He hasn’t been back to Grant, Portland’s largest high school, for an official event since the open house on Feb. 3, 2000. That night, he joined more than 1,500 students and parents. He was nervous then.
And now …
He stands and checks out his shirt. Brand-new—pulled from his closet for the first time just for this day. He’s showered, and his hair is neatly combed. He walks downstairs and looks at himself in the mirror. He combs his hair again, carefully pressing the last stubborn strand into place.
He walks into the kitchen to make himself lunch. He opens the refrigerator door—glancing at the list of chores his parents expect him to do each day to earn his $5 weekly allowance. He’s thrown the dirty clothes down the chute to the basement. He’s cleaned the bathroom countertop and swept the floor. He’s picked up the basement and vacuumed the upstairs hallway.
He pulls out a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jam and makes himself a sandwich. His mother walks in the door as he’s finishing it up, and the phone rings. Three of Sam’s Gregory Heights Middle School classmates have gathered at a neighbor’s house and are calling to let him know they’re ready for their ride. Sam’s ready, too. He smoothes his shirt once more and reaches to touch his neck. But when he pulls his hand away, he sees blood on his finger.
Not today.
Not on this day.
Please.
“Mom.”
He points to his neck. Blood oozes from one of his stitches. He dabs at it with a napkin.
“Mom!”
His mother searches for a Band-Aid.
“No one will see this,” his mother says as she gently pushes the strip over the stitch. “Don’t worry.”
The two of them walk out the front door and climb into the family’s old Honda, back down the driveway, turn through tree-lined streets and pull up in front of a wood-frame house. Three strapping young men jump down the steps, move like athletes toward the Lightner car and jump into the back seat. Sam sits next to his mother in front. At 76 pounds, he looks like a little brother along for the ride.
Just as it did on orientation night, traffic clogs the streets around Grant. So Debbie Lightner has to park five blocks away. Sam and his friends step onto the sidewalk and walk through the neighborhood.
On that February evening nearly seven months before, darkness cloaked the long walk, and Sam covered the distance almost invisible to everyone gathering at Grant. Today, the sun shines brightly on streets filled with students.
Sam touches the Band-Aid on his neck. He adjusts his shirt collar, trying to hide it, but nothing works.
He walks on, his pals towering over him. With Grant looming in the distance, all of them grow quiet. The group spreads out as the boys climb the front steps. They head for separate metal doors.
Sam pulls one of the doors open and steps into the front hall. Linoleum floors. Trophy cases. Metal lockers. Noise and laughter and chaos and all the urgency that is about being 14 years old.
Sam’s friends disappear into the crowd, and he stands alone in the midst of the milling mob. An adult hollers instructions, and the students form a rough line that engulfs Sam where he stands. His friends pay no attention to him as they move up and down the line to talk with buddies they have not seen in months.
The line snakes toward the cafeteria, where the students will get their schedules and receive their student identification cards.
Parents show up to pay fees. More students arrive and join the line. The crowd clogs the hall, and someone announces that it will be hours before everyone is registered. Adult volunteers herd the students along, shouting instructions. A teacher brings out a fan to keep everyone cool.
Sam watches new students arrive and walk past him toward the end of the line. He turns to his left, toward a bank of lockers. From this angle, no one can see the left side of his face. Even the students who stand next to him seem unaware of his presence.
“Hey there.”
Sam turns. A Grant administrator motions to him and then walks over.
“How you doing?” he asks as he sticks out his hand.
“Fine,” says Sam, shaking hands while wondering who this man could possibly be.
The man raises his hand, starts to gesture toward Sam’s face, then thinks better of it and lets his hand drop to his side.
“Say, you don’t have to wait here in line,” he says. “I mean …”
The words hang in the air.
“Let me take you down the back way,” he says, rattling a set of keys. “I can get you in and out of here in a couple minutes. Otherwise, you’re going to be here for a couple hours. No reason you should have to wait out here in front of everyone. I know how you must be feeling right now.”
The man steps closer, putting his arm around Sam’s shoulder.
“Let’s go,” he said. “You don’t need this.”
Sam weighs his options and makes a quick response that will be colored, as such things are, by everything that has come before. The years of living with his deformity. The decision to risk a life-threatening surgery. The choices he has made—to take a great chance and to confront life head on. “I am Sam,” read the Dr. Seuss line the nurse posted over his isolette when he was born. “Sam I am.”
He wriggles out from under the man’s arm.
“No,” he says.
“What?”
“I’ll wait with the rest of the students,“ Sam says.
“But you don’t have to.”
“I’ll wait,” Sam says firmly. “This is where I belong.”
* * *

On the first day of school, Sam got to Grant High a few minutes early and navigated to the room listed as his first-period history class. When he arrived, no one else was there and the door was locked—his schedule had the wrong room number.
The line moves, and Sam watches the administrator walk away. There is no turning back. Sam is carried, step by shuffling step, toward the cafeteria. He descends a flight of steps, walks through a set of double metal doors and pauses, looking out at a sea of students.
Then the line carries him forward to the first of several registration stations along the cafeteria’s wall. Brian Doran, Sam’s friend from Gregory Heights, spots him in line, hurries over and hands him a green piece of paper with a locker number and combination on it. Brian, who arrived earlier, has already claimed the locker and requested Sam as a partner.
Sam feels someone touch his shoulder and turns to face Molly Paterno, an old friend from his neighborhood.
“I was thinking about you all summer, Sam,” she says. “I wondered if you had the surgery.”
She studies him.
“Oh, Sam,” she says. “You look great.”
Sam moves more easily as the line works its way from station to station. He studies his schedule.
“Sam?”
Emilie Bushlen bustles up and leans close.
“Sam, can I see your schedule?”
He hands her his slip of paper.
“Sam,” she squeals. “We got word-processing together.”
He blushes.
The line moves forward. The next stop is for yearbook pictures. Sam looks at the order form, trying to figure out what picture package to order. He selects Package E, the one that will give him two extra prints. One will go to Dr. John Mulliken, the lead surgeon in Boston.
The other has a place waiting for it on Dr. Jennifer Marler’s wall.
He hands the form to the photographer, who tells him where to sit and how to pose. “OK, kiddo,” the photographer says. “Here we go.”
He lifts the camera.
Sam Lightner looks straight ahead. This is for the yearbook. This is for history.
He smiles. Broadly.
And a brilliant flash illuminates his face. (The End)
是谁扼杀了卓越?
美国教育史大致可分为三个不同时期,每个时期都代表着一种特殊而强大的世界观。第一个时期从殖民时代到 19 世纪 40 年代,加尔文主义伦理占主导地位: 上帝无所不能的主权是人类生存的核心现实。在加尔文主义的计划中,人的生活目的是荣耀上帝,而获得《圣经》素养被认为是教育最重要的精神和道德功能。学习拉丁语、希腊语和希伯来语是因为它们是《圣经》和神学文学的原始语言。因此,这一时期美国教育的特点是识字水平非常高。
第二个时期从 19 世纪 40 年代一直持续到第一次世界大战前后,反映了黑格尔的思想。G.F.黑格尔的国家主义理想主义哲学像一种恶性精神疾病一样传遍了整个西方世界,摧毁了加尔文主义。在这种泛神论的计划中,生活的目的是为了美化人类,以及美化人类行使集体权力的工具–国家。黑格尔推翻了《旧约全书》中的耶和华和《新约全书》中的基督,提出了一种泛神论的宇宙观,认为万物都是无形的 “上帝”,都在通过一种动态的、无休止的斗争(即辩证法)完善自身。然而,即使在黑格尔时期,识字率也很高,因为黑格尔强调智力发展,他认为人的思想是上帝在宇宙中的最高体现。人们学习拉丁语和希腊语,因为它们是异教经典的语言。
在这一黑格尔时期,公立学校运动发展起来,提倡一种世俗的教育形式,逐渐将《圣经》从美国的课堂上清除出去。纪律、守时、高学术标准和成绩是公立学校的标志。
第三个时期,从第一次世界大战至今,我称之为 “进步时期”。它的出现主要是由于德国莱比锡大学威廉-冯特(Wilhelm Wundt)的实验实验室发展出了新的行为心理学。在翁德门下学习的主要美国人–詹姆斯-麦肯-卡特尔、G-斯坦利-霍尔、查尔斯-H-贾德和詹姆斯-厄尔-罗素回到美国后,对美国教育进行了革命性的改革。
在这一计划中,人类生活的目的是否定和拒绝超自然,并为集体(通常被称为 “人类”)牺牲自己。科学和进化论取代宗教成为信仰的焦点,辩证唯物主义取代黑格尔的辩证唯心主义,成为人类道德进步的过程。事实上,”进步 “一词就来源于这种辩证的进步观。
斯坦利-霍尔(G. Stanley Hall)率先踏上了通往莱比锡冯特实验室的道路。1868-70 年间,霍尔曾在德国学习,回国后他对新英格兰清教徒的传统充满仇恨。他在自传中写道
我相当厌恶和憎恨我所看到的一切,以至于我现在比以往任何时候都更清楚地认识到,如果我流落到某个,也许几乎是任何一个激进派阵营中,并与当时的计划公开决裂,那么我是多么有可能被视为危险分子,至少对于任何以安全第一为座右铭的学术生涯来说是如此。由于这是唯一的出路,而回到农场又是可怕的选择,所以最幸运的是,这些被深深激起的反抗本能从未公开表达过,我的异端邪说和社会主义倾向也不为人知。
霍尔于 1878 年结束了他的 “翁特 “经历,并于 1882 年在约翰斯-霍普金斯大学创建了美国第一个心理学实验室。霍尔的两个学生是詹姆斯-麦肯-卡特尔和约翰-杜威。卡泰尔于 1884 年前往莱比锡,在那里师从冯特教授两年。他回到美国后,于 1887 年在宾夕法尼亚大学创建了世界上第一个心理学系。
关于卡泰尔生平的传记中写道
卡泰尔在巴尔的摩、德国和英国的学生时代–这是他在心理学领域最具独创性和生产力的时期–内心充满了抱怨。卡泰尔只在他的私人日记中倾诉了他反复出现的抑郁情绪、他对致幻药物的频繁需求,以及他作为一个 “怀疑论者和神秘主义者 “的基本哲学立场。
早在 19 世纪 80 年代,心理学学生就开始使用致幻药物,这难道不有趣吗?1891 年,卡特尔建立了哥伦比亚大学心理学系。在哥伦比亚大学的几年里,卡泰尔培养的美国心理学会未来成员比其他任何机构都要多。事实上,卡特尔是美国心理学会和《心理学评论》的创始人之一。在他的领导下,哥伦比亚大学心理学成为研究和教学实力最强的院系之一。
毫无疑问,卡泰尔最著名的学生是爱德华-桑代克(Edward L. Thorndike),他曾在哈佛大学师从威廉-詹姆斯(William James)获得硕士学位,并在那里进行过动物学习实验。在卡泰尔的指导下,桑代克继续进行他的实验,这些实验对美国教育产生了毁灭性的影响。
桑代克将心理学简化为对可观察、可测量的人类行为的研究,而忽略了思想和灵魂的复杂性和神秘性。桑代克在总结自己的学习理论时写道:”用一个驯兽师华而不实的话来说,对儿童最好的方法可能往往是’安排好与把戏有关的一切,使动物在其本性法则的迫使下表演这个把戏'”。
1904 年,卡特尔邀请他的老朋友约翰-杜威加入哥伦比亚大学的教师队伍。杜威从约翰-霍普金斯大学毕业后,并没有像卡特尔等人一样去莱比锡。相反,他在密歇根大学教授哲学约九年。他离开约翰-霍普金斯大学时是黑格尔的唯心主义者,但在密歇根大学却成了唯物主义者。1894 年,他成为芝加哥大学哲学和教育学教授,并在那里创建了著名的实验学校。
学校的目的是研究需要什么样的课程来培养社会主义者而不是资本家,培养集体主义者而不是个人主义者。杜威与其他新心理学的追随者一样,坚信社会主义是未来的潮流,个人主义已经过时。但是,只要美国儿童在学校接受的教育还在,个人主义制度就不会自行消亡。杜威认为,”……教育是在有利条件下的成长;学校是科学地调节这些条件的地方”。
换句话说,如果我们将心理学应用于教育,而我们现在已经这样做了五十多年,那么理想的教室就是一个心理实验室,里面的学生就是实验动物。
杜威与哥伦比亚大学的卡特尔和桑代克一起,组成了致命的三人组,他们简直就是要消灭传统教育,扼杀美国的学术成就。这不是一朝一夕就能完成的,因为必须培养一大批新教师和新校长,还有一大批老教师和老校长必须退休或去世。
到 1908 年,三人已经出版了三本对进步运动至关重要的书籍。桑代克于 1898 年出版了《动物智能》;杜威于 1899 年出版了《学校与社会》;1908 年,卡特尔通过一位名叫埃德蒙-伯克-休伊的代理人出版了《阅读心理学与教育学》。
杜威为这场运动提供了社会哲学,桑代克提供了教学理论和技巧,而卡特尔则提供了组织能量。无论是他们的弟子还是同事,都有一种在科学、进化论、人文主义和行为主义的基础上重建美国教育的传教热情。但正是杜威指出,高识字率是传统教育的罪魁祸首,是个人主义背后的支撑力量。他在 1898 年写道
我的主张是,社会、工业和知识条件已经发生了翻天覆地的变化,现在是彻底检查小学教学中对语言学习的重视程度的时候了……。
在我看来,由于对文学的高度重视而要求在早期学校生活中以学习阅读为主的主张是一种歪曲。
但是,为了改革教育体制,我们必须从另一个角度来看待思维。杜威写道
遗传的观念使人们熟悉了这样一种观念,即个人的装备,无论是精神上的还是身体上的,都是从种族中继承下来的:个人从过去继承下来的资本,由他为未来托管。进化论的思想使人们熟悉了这样一个概念:不能把心智看作是个人的、垄断性的财产,它代表了人类的努力和思想的结晶。
在杜威看来,我们身份中最私人的部分–心灵,实际上根本不是个人的财产,而是人类的财产,而人类只是集体或国家的委婉说法。这一概念正是奥威尔梦魇的核心所在,而同样的概念正是我们的进步-人本主义-行为主义教育体系的基础。
杜威意识到,这种激进的改革并不完全是美国人民想要的。所以他写道
变革必须循序渐进。如果不适当地强迫改革,就会导致激烈的反应,从而影响改革的最终成功。
要进行的改革中最重要的是改变教儿童阅读的方式。杜威和他的同事们已经规定,要大大降低识字技能的重要性,以培养社交技能为主,因此需要一种新的教学方法,刻意降低识字技能的重要性。
传统的学校采用拼音或音标教学法。也就是说,首先教孩子们字母表,然后教他们字母代表的读音,在很短的时间内,他们就能独立阅读了。新方法–“看-说 “或 “单词法”–教孩子们像阅读中文或埃及象形文字一样阅读英语。
这种新方法是 19 世纪 30 年代由著名的聋哑人教师托马斯-H-加劳德特牧师发明的。由于聋哑人没有口语的概念,他们无法学习音标或声音符号系统的阅读方法。相反,他们被教导用纯粹的视觉方法来阅读,包括将图片与整个单词并列在一起。因此,整个单词被视为代表一种思想或图像,而不是语言的声音。文字本身被视为一幅小图,很像中国的表意文字。加劳德特认为,这种方法可以适用于普通儿童,他就这一概念写了一本小册子。
1837 年,波士顿小学委员会决定采用这本启蒙读物。到了 1844 年,效果非常糟糕,波士顿的一群校长发表了一篇抨击全词教学法的文章,于是全词教学法被赶出了学校。但在新的州立普通学校中,”看-说 “教学法仍被作为字母-音标教学法的合法替代方法保留了下来。
当进步人士决定恢复 “看-说 “教学法时,他们意识到有必要编写一本权威性的书籍,使这种教学法获得新心理学的认可。在 Wundt 的实验室里,Cattell 观察到成人阅读整个单词的速度和阅读单个字母的速度一样快。由此,他得出结论,只要给孩子看单词,告诉他单词的意思,就能教会他阅读。
出于某种原因,卡特尔不想自己写一本书。于是,他让 G. 斯坦利-霍尔的学生埃德蒙-伯克-休伊写了一本书,论证 “看-说 “是阅读教学的最佳方法。这本名为《阅读心理学和教学法》的书于 1908 年出版。令人震惊的是,到 1908 年,卡特尔和他的同事们已经非常清楚地意识到,”看-说 “法培养出来的学生是不准确的。事实上,休伊主张把不准确作为一种美德!
尽管这本书的作者是一个在阅读教学方面毫无经验的默默无闻的学生,他也没有再写过任何关于这个问题的文章,而且人们对他几乎一无所知,但这本书还是立刻被进步人士奉为这方面的权威著作。
当一个国家的主要教育改革者开始支持文盲和不准确的阅读,并指责早期强调学习阅读是一种变态时,我们就可以预料到我们的教育过程会产生一些奇怪的结果。事实上,到了 20 世纪 50 年代,进步人士已经做得很好了,以至于鲁道夫-弗莱施在 1955 年写了一本名为《为什么约翰尼不会阅读》的书。为什么?弗莱施毫不讳言:
阅读教学–在全美国,在所有学校,在所有教科书中–是完全错误的,是与所有逻辑和常识背道而驰的。
这是怎么发生的呢?弗莱施解释道:
这是一个万无一失的系统。全国每一位小学教师都必须进入师范学院或教育学院学习;每一所师范学院都至少开设一门关于如何进行阅读教学的课程;每一门关于如何进行阅读教学的课程都以教科书为基础;每一本教科书都是由 “文字教学法 “的一位大祭司编写的。在过去,优秀教师不可能不遵循自己的常识和实践知识;如今,语音阅读教学法被挡在了学校门外,就像我们有一个独裁政权,有一个无所不能的教育部一样有效。
教育家们对弗莱施大发雷霆。他让他们显得愚蠢无能。他们知道自己并不愚蠢。他们完成了历史上最大的反智阴谋。虽然杜威、桑代克和卡特尔已经去世,但他们的弟子,哥伦比亚大学的阿瑟-盖茨(Arthur I. Gates)和芝加哥大学的威廉-斯科特-格雷(William Scott Gray)决心继承导师的事业。1955 年,阅读教授们组织了国际阅读协会,以维护 “看-说 “在小学阅读教学中的主导地位。如今,”看图说话 “以各种面目渗透到教育市场的各个角落,而且被广泛地、不加批判地接受,以至于教师或家长需要具备专业知识,才能分辨其中的好坏和利弊。
即使是最优秀的学生也会成为这种 “愚化 “过程的受害者。卡尔-夏皮罗(Karl Shapiro)是一位著名的诗人教授,教授创意写作长达 20 多年:
真正令人痛心的是,这一代人不会阅读,也不阅读。我指的是那些本应是我们最好大学的大学生。他们的文盲率令人吃惊……我们正在经历一场扫盲,据我所知,这在文学史上是绝无仅有的。
这种文盲现象绝非偶然。它不是无知或无能的结果。事实上,这是我们的进步人文主义-行为主义教育者故意制造出来的,对他们来说,社会议程远比任何与学术卓越相关的事情都重要。心理学家阿瑟-康姆斯(Arthur W. Combs)在 1975 年发表的一篇题为 “教育的人本主义目标 “的文章中,或许最能表达他们的心态。康姆斯博士写道
现代教育必须培养的不仅仅是具有认知技能的人。它必须培养出有人性的人……人性品质对我们的生活方式是绝对必要的–甚至比学习阅读更重要。我们可以忍受一个不善阅读的人,但一个偏执狂对每个人都是危险的。
当然,这里的推论是,你不可能同时拥有好读者和有人情味的人,必须牺牲一个来换取另一个。还要注意的是,这种非常微妙的暗示是,高识字率甚至可能产生偏执。如果这是人文主义者所相信的,那么我们怎么能指望他们去促进高识字率呢?
1935 年,杜威写道
寡头政治和反社会幽禁的最后阵地,就是延续这种纯粹个人主义的智力概念。
为了扼杀这种作为卓越之源的个人主义智力,杜威和他的行为主义同事们开始剥夺教育的思想、灵魂和素养。1930 年,本地出生的白人文盲率为 1.5。外国出生的白人文盲率为 9.9%,黑人文盲率为 16.3%。城市黑人的文盲率为 9.2%。
1935 年,对参加平民保护团(CCC)的人员进行了一项调查。在接受调查的 375,000 名男子中,有 7,369 人,即 1.9% 是文盲,也就是说,他们既不会读报纸,也不会写信。考虑到大多数加入 CCC 的男性都属于社会经济地位低下的群体,这个文盲率实在是太低了。
如今,城市黑人的文盲率大概在 40% 左右,而白人的文盲率估计在 7% 到 30% 之间。没有人真正知道确切的数字,包括教育部也猜测美国大约有 2300 万功能性文盲。
事实上,弗莱施博士在 1981 年又写了一本书,书名是《为什么约翰尼还是不识字》。他不无伤感地写道
二十五年前,我研究了美国的阅读教学方法,并警告说要防止教育灾难的发生。现在,灾难发生了。
目前,美国每个州的立法机构都在努力制定教育改革法案。其中没有一项涉及小学阅读教学的基本问题。问题在于,大多数有意进行改革的人都相信,绩效工资、延长上课时间、缩小班级规模、增加家庭作业、职业阶梯、能力测试、提高教师工资、义务教育幼儿园和更多学前教育设施,这些都会给我们带来卓越的成绩。但由于一个非常重要的原因,这些措施不会带来卓越。当今公共教育的学术实质是由行为心理学家控制的,他们不相信卓越。美国的课堂已经变成了心理实验室,而心理实验室的功能并不是学术卓越。
如果说教育是由有效的教师和愿意学习的学生之间的互动组成,那么在心理实验室里就不可能有这种互动,因为心理实验室里两者都没有。实验室里有培训师和受训者、控制者和被控制者、实验者和实验对象、治疗师和病人。课堂上应该进行的是教与学。心理实验室里进行的是刺激与反应、诊断与治疗。
很多人认为行为主义只是对行为的研究。但是,根据 B. F. 斯金纳的观点,行为主义是一种知识理论,在这种理论中,认知和思维仅仅被视为行为的形式。尽管心理学本应是对心理生命–心灵–的研究,但从桑代克开始,行为主义者将心灵的功能缩小到今天心灵不再是教育中的一个因素。行为目标是当今教师的目标。
是谁扼杀了卓越?行为心理学。为什么?因为它基于一个谎言:人是动物,没有思想和灵魂,可以像动物一样被教育。而这一概念基于一个更大的谎言:没有上帝,没有造物主。
因此,美国教育的未来取决于如何解决深刻的哲学问题。显然,统治行为主义者和反叛的原教旨主义者之间不可能达成妥协。只要进步的人本主义行为主义者控制着教育学和心理学研究生院、专业组织和期刊,以及制定课程、编写和出版教科书的过程,公共教育就几乎不可能取得卓越的学术成就。
承认公立学校是行为主义者的永久俘虏是明智之举,因为行为主义者似乎还控制着维持公立学校的公共和私人资金来源。它们似乎无法抵御追求卓越的压力。
越来越多的人认为,解决办法在于放弃政府教育,将我们的精力和资源转移到私营部门,从而扩大教育自由、机会和创业精神。美国人民想要更好的教育。他们应该能够获得更好的教育。但是,要做到这一点,他们就必须扫除教育工作者为实现卓越而设置的一切障碍。事实上,这就是问题所在–如何打破、克服或绕过阻碍卓越的障碍。
公立学校学生的外流表明,这种情况已经出现。但是,留在公立学校的数百万儿童正处于危险之中,他们有可能成为功能性文盲,成为未来的下层社会。我们能拯救他们吗?我们有这样做的知识。但我们有意愿吗?未来几年将给出答案。


Samuel L. Blumenfeld is the author of six books on education: How to Start Your Own School and Why You Need One (1972), The New Illiterates (1973), How to Tutor (1973), Is Public Education Necessary? (1981), Alpha-Phonics: A Primer for Beginning Readers (1983), and NEA: Trojan Horse in American Education (1984). His writings have appeared frequently in major journals as well. He has taught in both public and private schools, including a private school for children with learning and behavioral problems.